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So Amdi hiding on Fisher island in luxury. I bet he doesn't wear Tvindie clothes doesn't sound like he has a common economy on a $100000 per year Golf club. What about buying a spare flat for his dog. With all you Tvindies sleeping on 2nd hand mattresses. Well better late than never to find out, you all have my sympathy

Peter

(btw, I'm not a big fan of Amdi's buddy Mugabe either, but I don't think it would do much good to the plight of ordinary Zimbabweans to have any schools in their country close.)

Hmm, OK. Now that it's beginning to sink in, what have the pro-Tvind writers got to say about this? Tomas? Anna? You all seem to be keeping rather quiet....

I all fairness, I have to say that it must be a humbling experience to realise that one has been so cleverly and comprehensively duped. It seems that this really has been the most impressive piece of indoctrination. Amdi, and his close associates, deserve Oscars for their performances. They really seem to have pulled the wool over people's eyes, anyone who wanted to do some good in the world could be so easily taken in. That is the biggest tragedy of all this - shattered ideals.

 

Amdi Petersen is found in luxury hideaway

Mogens Amdi Petersen, the reclusive leader of the so-called 'aid charity' Tvind, has been located in a luxury private tropical island resort off Miami, according to the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten yesterday.

Petersen is said to have a $6 million penthouse apartment at Fisher Island, one of the most exclusive resorts in the world, used as a hideaway by top sportsmen and film stars. The apartment has marble floors, five bathrooms, a Jacuzzi, a steam shower and a fitness room and was bought for him by a Tvind company for $624,000 in 1991. Petersen is an enthusiastic member of the $100,000 Fisher Island golf club. In fact, Tvind rents two apartments - one for each of Petersen's two dogs.

The newspaper's coverage begins: "Mogens Amdi Petersen, leader of the Danish Tvind organisation, is hiding on a private tropical island, while earnings from companies in The Third World and Tvind-teacher salaries keep pouring into his coffers...."

Jyllands-Posten also publishes the first photograph of 62-year old Petersen since 1979.

Story in English with links at: http://www.tvindalert.org.uk (follow links to story) and in Danish at http://www.jp.dk

 

I just visited the Tvind school in Denmark and i must say i liked it very much. Everyone was very friendly and we had a great conferance about development in the third world. What Tvind stands for i something very good and if there would be no people like the tvindalert people in this world much more would be don for the thirld world. Go Tvind, go!

ALERT! Might wanna check www.jp.dk - they've found Amdi!

So Amdi hiding on Fisher island in luxury. I bet he doesn't wear Tvindie clothes doesn't sound like he has a common economy on a $100000 per year Golf club. What about buying a spare flat for his dog. With all you Tvindies sleeping on 2nd hand mattresses. Well better late than never to find out, you all have my sympathy

(btw, I'm not a big fan of Amdi's buddy Mugabe either, but I don't think it would do much good to the plight of ordinary Zimbabweans to have any schools in their country close.)

Hmm, OK. Now that it's beginning to sink in, what have the pro-Tvind writers got to say about this? Tomas? Anna? You all seem to be keeping rather quiet....

I all fairness, I have to say that it must be a humbling experience to realise that one has been so cleverly and comprehensively duped. It seems that this really has been the most impressive piece of indoctrination. Amdi, and his close associates, deserve Oscars for their performances. They really seem to have pulled the wool over people's eyes, anyone who wanted to do some good in the world could be so easily taken in. That is the biggest tragedy of all this - shattered ideals.

 

Amdi Petersen is found in luxury hideaway

Mogens Amdi Petersen, the reclusive leader of the so-called 'aid charity' Tvind, has been located in a luxury private tropical island resort off Miami, according to the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten yesterday.

Petersen is said to have a $6 million penthouse apartment at Fisher Island, one of the most exclusive resorts in the world, used as a hideaway by top sportsmen and film stars. The apartment has marble floors, five bathrooms, a Jacuzzi, a steam shower and a fitness room and was bought for him by a Tvind company for $624,000 in 1991. Petersen is an enthusiastic member of the $100,000 Fisher Island golf club. In fact, Tvind rents two apartments - one for each of Petersen's two dogs.

The newspaper's coverage begins: "Mogens Amdi Petersen, leader of the Danish Tvind organisation, is hiding on a private tropical island, while earnings from companies in The Third World and Tvind-teacher salaries keep pouring into his coffers...."

Jyllands-Posten also publishes the first photograph of 62-year old Petersen since 1979.

Story in English with links at: http://www.tvindalert.org.uk (follow links to story) and in Danish at http://www.jp.dk

 

I just visited the Tvind school in Denmark and i must say i liked it very much. Everyone was very friendly and we had a great conferance about development in the third world. What Tvind stands for i something very good and if there would be no people like the tvindalert people in this world much more would be don for the thirld world. Go Tvind, go!

ALERT! Might wanna check www.jp.dk - they've found Amdi!

So Amdi hiding on Fisher island in luxury. I bet he doesn't wear Tvindie clothes doesn't sound like he has a common economy on a $100000 per year Golf club. What about buying a spare flat for his dog. With all you Tvindies sleeping on 2nd hand mattresses. Well better late than never to find out, you all have my sympathy

I all fairness, I have to say that it must be a humbling experience to realise that one has been so cleverly and comprehensively duped. It seems that this really has been the most impressive piece of indoctrination. Amdi, and his close associates, deserve Oscars for their performances. They really seem to have pulled the wool over people's eyes, anyone who wanted to do some good in the world could be so easily taken in. That is the biggest tragedy of all this - shattered ideals.

 

Amdi Petersen is found in luxury hideaway

Mogens Amdi Petersen, the reclusive leader of the so-called 'aid charity' Tvind, has been located in a luxury private tropical island resort off Miami, according to the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten yesterday.

Petersen is said to have a $6 million penthouse apartment at Fisher Island, one of the most exclusive resorts in the world, used as a hideaway by top sportsmen and film stars. The apartment has marble floors, five bathrooms, a Jacuzzi, a steam shower and a fitness room and was bought for him by a Tvind company for $624,000 in 1991. Petersen is an enthusiastic member of the $100,000 Fisher Island golf club. In fact, Tvind rents two apartments - one for each of Petersen's two dogs.

The newspaper's coverage begins: "Mogens Amdi Petersen, leader of the Danish Tvind organisation, is hiding on a private tropical island, while earnings from companies in The Third World and Tvind-teacher salaries keep pouring into his coffers...."

Jyllands-Posten also publishes the first photograph of 62-year old Petersen since 1979.

Story in English with links at: http://www.tvindalert.org.uk (follow links to story) and in Danish at http://www.jp.dk

 

I just visited the Tvind school in Denmark and i must say i liked it very much. Everyone was very friendly and we had a great conferance about development in the third world. What Tvind stands for i something very good and if there would be no people like the tvindalert people in this world much more would be don for the thirld world. Go Tvind, go!

ALERT! Might wanna check www.jp.dk - they've found Amdi!

So Amdi hiding on Fisher island in luxury. I bet he doesn't wear Tvindie clothes doesn't sound like he has a common economy on a $100000 per year Golf club. What about buying a spare flat for his dog. With all you Tvindies sleeping on 2nd hand mattresses. Well better late than never to find out, you all have my sympathy

Amdi Petersen is found in luxury hideaway

Mogens Amdi Petersen, the reclusive leader of the so-called 'aid charity' Tvind, has been located in a luxury private tropical island resort off Miami, according to the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten yesterday.

Petersen is said to have a $6 million penthouse apartment at Fisher Island, one of the most exclusive resorts in the world, used as a hideaway by top sportsmen and film stars. The apartment has marble floors, five bathrooms, a Jacuzzi, a steam shower and a fitness room and was bought for him by a Tvind company for $624,000 in 1991. Petersen is an enthusiastic member of the $100,000 Fisher Island golf club. In fact, Tvind rents two apartments - one for each of Petersen's two dogs.

The newspaper's coverage begins: "Mogens Amdi Petersen, leader of the Danish Tvind organisation, is hiding on a private tropical island, while earnings from companies in The Third World and Tvind-teacher salaries keep pouring into his coffers...."

Jyllands-Posten also publishes the first photograph of 62-year old Petersen since 1979.

Story in English with links at: http://www.tvindalert.org.uk (follow links to story) and in Danish at http://www.jp.dk

 

I just visited the Tvind school in Denmark and i must say i liked it very much. Everyone was very friendly and we had a great conferance about development in the third world. What Tvind stands for i something very good and if there would be no people like the tvindalert people in this world much more would be don for the thirld world. Go Tvind, go!

ALERT! Might wanna check www.jp.dk - they've found Amdi!

So Amdi hiding on Fisher island in luxury. I bet he doesn't wear Tvindie clothes doesn't sound like he has a common economy on a $100000 per year Golf club. What about buying a spare flat for his dog. With all you Tvindies sleeping on 2nd hand mattresses. Well better late than never to find out, you all have my sympathy

Mogens Amdi Petersen, the reclusive leader of the so-called 'aid charity' Tvind, has been located in a luxury private tropical island resort off Miami, according to the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten yesterday.

Petersen is said to have a $6 million penthouse apartment at Fisher Island, one of the most exclusive resorts in the world, used as a hideaway by top sportsmen and film stars. The apartment has marble floors, five bathrooms, a Jacuzzi, a steam shower and a fitness room and was bought for him by a Tvind company for $624,000 in 1991. Petersen is an enthusiastic member of the $100,000 Fisher Island golf club. In fact, Tvind rents two apartments - one for each of Petersen's two dogs.

The newspaper's coverage begins: "Mogens Amdi Petersen, leader of the Danish Tvind organisation, is hiding on a private tropical island, while earnings from companies in The Third World and Tvind-teacher salaries keep pouring into his coffers...."

Jyllands-Posten also publishes the first photograph of 62-year old Petersen since 1979.

Story in English with links at: http://www.tvindalert.org.uk (follow links to story) and in Danish at http://www.jp.dk

 

I just visited the Tvind school in Denmark and i must say i liked it very much. Everyone was very friendly and we had a great conferance about development in the third world. What Tvind stands for i something very good and if there would be no people like the tvindalert people in this world much more would be don for the thirld world. Go Tvind, go!

ALERT! Might wanna check www.jp.dk - they've found Amdi!

So Amdi hiding on Fisher island in luxury. I bet he doesn't wear Tvindie clothes doesn't sound like he has a common economy on a $100000 per year Golf club. What about buying a spare flat for his dog. With all you Tvindies sleeping on 2nd hand mattresses. Well better late than never to find out, you all have my sympathy

Petersen is said to have a $6 million penthouse apartment at Fisher Island, one of the most exclusive resorts in the world, used as a hideaway by top sportsmen and film stars. The apartment has marble floors, five bathrooms, a Jacuzzi, a steam shower and a fitness room and was bought for him by a Tvind company for $624,000 in 1991. Petersen is an enthusiastic member of the $100,000 Fisher Island golf club. In fact, Tvind rents two apartments - one for each of Petersen's two dogs.

The newspaper's coverage begins: "Mogens Amdi Petersen, leader of the Danish Tvind organisation, is hiding on a private tropical island, while earnings from companies in The Third World and Tvind-teacher salaries keep pouring into his coffers...."

Jyllands-Posten also publishes the first photograph of 62-year old Petersen since 1979.

Story in English with links at: http://www.tvindalert.org.uk (follow links to story) and in Danish at http://www.jp.dk

 

I just visited the Tvind school in Denmark and i must say i liked it very much. Everyone was very friendly and we had a great conferance about development in the third world. What Tvind stands for i something very good and if there would be no people like the tvindalert people in this world much more would be don for the thirld world. Go Tvind, go!

ALERT! Might wanna check www.jp.dk - they've found Amdi!

So Amdi hiding on Fisher island in luxury. I bet he doesn't wear Tvindie clothes doesn't sound like he has a common economy on a $100000 per year Golf club. What about buying a spare flat for his dog. With all you Tvindies sleeping on 2nd hand mattresses. Well better late than never to find out, you all have my sympathy

The newspaper's coverage begins: "Mogens Amdi Petersen, leader of the Danish Tvind organisation, is hiding on a private tropical island, while earnings from companies in The Third World and Tvind-teacher salaries keep pouring into his coffers...."

Jyllands-Posten also publishes the first photograph of 62-year old Petersen since 1979.

Story in English with links at: http://www.tvindalert.org.uk (follow links to story) and in Danish at http://www.jp.dk

 

I just visited the Tvind school in Denmark and i must say i liked it very much. Everyone was very friendly and we had a great conferance about development in the third world. What Tvind stands for i something very good and if there would be no people like the tvindalert people in this world much more would be don for the thirld world. Go Tvind, go!

ALERT! Might wanna check www.jp.dk - they've found Amdi!

So Amdi hiding on Fisher island in luxury. I bet he doesn't wear Tvindie clothes doesn't sound like he has a common economy on a $100000 per year Golf club. What about buying a spare flat for his dog. With all you Tvindies sleeping on 2nd hand mattresses. Well better late than never to find out, you all have my sympathy

Jyllands-Posten also publishes the first photograph of 62-year old Petersen since 1979.

Story in English with links at: http://www.tvindalert.org.uk (follow links to story) and in Danish at http://www.jp.dk

 

I just visited the Tvind school in Denmark and i must say i liked it very much. Everyone was very friendly and we had a great conferance about development in the third world. What Tvind stands for i something very good and if there would be no people like the tvindalert people in this world much more would be don for the thirld world. Go Tvind, go!

ALERT! Might wanna check www.jp.dk - they've found Amdi!

So Amdi hiding on Fisher island in luxury. I bet he doesn't wear Tvindie clothes doesn't sound like he has a common economy on a $100000 per year Golf club. What about buying a spare flat for his dog. With all you Tvindies sleeping on 2nd hand mattresses. Well better late than never to find out, you all have my sympathy

Story in English with links at: http://www.tvindalert.org.uk (follow links to story) and in Danish at http://www.jp.dk

 

I just visited the Tvind school in Denmark and i must say i liked it very much. Everyone was very friendly and we had a great conferance about development in the third world. What Tvind stands for i something very good and if there would be no people like the tvindalert people in this world much more would be don for the thirld world. Go Tvind, go!

ALERT! Might wanna check www.jp.dk - they've found Amdi!

So Amdi hiding on Fisher island in luxury. I bet he doesn't wear Tvindie clothes doesn't sound like he has a common economy on a $100000 per year Golf club. What about buying a spare flat for his dog. With all you Tvindies sleeping on 2nd hand mattresses. Well better late than never to find out, you all have my sympathy

I just visited the Tvind school in Denmark and i must say i liked it very much. Everyone was very friendly and we had a great conferance about development in the third world. What Tvind stands for i something very good and if there would be no people like the tvindalert people in this world much more would be don for the thirld world. Go Tvind, go!

ALERT! Might wanna check www.jp.dk - they've found Amdi!

So Amdi hiding on Fisher island in luxury. I bet he doesn't wear Tvindie clothes doesn't sound like he has a common economy on a $100000 per year Golf club. What about buying a spare flat for his dog. With all you Tvindies sleeping on 2nd hand mattresses. Well better late than never to find out, you all have my sympathy

To the person asking about whether Amdi's extradition trial will be open to the public, I would suggest you contact the U.S. Attorney's Office ("Central District of California," or "CDCA"), to ask: www.usdoj/usao/cac/ I imagine it would be, but am not sure...

I am not "copying opinions from newspaper reporters". I have in fact spoken to former Tvind students from Angola who absolutely hate this disrespectful, cult-like and mega-capitalist organisation as much as any Dane! Case in point: When Tvind went to the village of the father of one of my friends, they sent 2 young Danish girls , late teens to early twenties with no training other than what they were fed at Tvind TO TEACH LIFE-LONG FARMERS HOW TO FARM THEIR OWN FREAKIN' LAND! Talk about being "culturally sensitive".....

It is understandable that you cannot update quickly and i also understand that as a result of the arrest of amdi you are very busy. As far as the el viejo dispute it was not a difference of perception. I lived there. I have video, pictures, proof that these projects actually happened. I don't consider myself a tvind volunteer becuase i had little to no contact with tvind people and for about 1/2 of the time i was there, we basically fended for ourselves without a project leaderand without any supervision. a lot of us, despite our disenchantment with the organization and our central america coordinator, worked really hard and accomplished a lot. I'm not saying i agree with humama-tvind or whatever but i also don't agree with taking one preson's perception as fact-especially someone we only spoke with maybe once or twice-and as far as im concerned can't even figure out who you are refering to as the "close el viejo contact" and if possible i would like to speak with this person. I have not been brainwashed or "gotten to"..i have no plans now or in the future to work with tvind again. I just know what happened becuase i was there.

To the last poster.

(1) We all have our priorities. As anyone can see Tvind Alert has been experiencing technical difficulties in the last few days and in view of the importance of the latest news about Amdi Petersen, we do not propose to risk editing the site for the next few days unless there is major significant news. This is to avoid the risk of the whole site accidentally going down, just when it is being accessed by hundreds of people a day at the most critical time of its life.

(2) This young woman's comments have been forwarded for comment to the Norwich-El Viejo Link contacts, who strongly dispute what she says. Basically, what we have here is a complete difference of perception between two people (one a very well connected local person, one a Tvind volunteer) who see two quite different perceptions of the same set of circumstances. This is not at all unusual in relation to Tvind!!!!! Her email WILL be posted on the site when it's up and running properly again, butwe want to do the whole thing all at once.

Basically - while we sympathise, there are more important things going on right now for Tvind Alert than a dispute over one project in El Viejo, interesting is at is - or risking the site right now - Amdi's been arrested, for God's sake. So please give us some time and don't get on the conspiracy trail.

You are welcome to post your comment right here and cut out the middleman for the time being!!

Michael, Tvind Alert

I recently wrote to tvind alert about what they wrote about the el viejo page. i am a former solidarity worker there and what they printed were outright lies. Our project was in fact very productive and although i would probably not be involved with iicd again i think tvind alert is just as bad for printing things as fact which are so grossly untrue..i also want to know why my email wasn'r posted..someone replied and said it would be...can someone please respon to this

does anyone know if the extradition hearing on march 19 will be open to the public? what about the appeal trial?

A statement from the guestbook at www.bogense-efterskole.dk (Look for the guestbook under "efterskole" if you want to comment on this)

"All accusations against tvind is a capitalistic conspiration against the socialist idea, that houners sympathy, solidarity and comitment to an anti individualistic idea, that makes life worth living for everyone. Go to humana's homepage and se what we did."

For those of you out there able to pick up danish tv and understand it (in short, mostly Danes;) DR2 will be airing a 3-hour special on Tvind on Saturday starting at 20.00

The trailer for it is quite promising, first showing a long-haired Amdi talking about the virtures of Tvind back in the seventies, exploding into "...that was just a dream..." Then we see a drawing of Amdi in chains in court with "...that's me in the corner..." followed by the photo of Amdi boarding a bus with other prisoners in California and finally him hiding his face in his hands "...losing my religion..."

To the person with a .dk email adress.

Get your facts straight! There is many people that believes in a juridical system that you are not guilty until you are proven so. And represents that "rumours" and speculations is not the same as "facts" that can be used in a court room. Petersen is not charged at all and before he can (if he will be) delivered out to DK ti my understanding depends on IF the Holsterbro police can come up with a charge. Something that they have tried for quite som time now. I guess that is a very dificult task since the person arrested is not running the foundation that the police claim might have been missusing the money.

About the "missused money". Go out to www.fonden.dk and read what the money actually is used for? Ask the "Danish Civil direktorat" if they not year after year have approved the use of the money. They have and if the projects described at www.fonden.dk is NOT to support Humanitarian, environmental and scientific activities i do not know what laws and rules you think should run this world. It is a "bit upsetting" that people like you do not follow logic.

Give me a break please and use you head!

 

SWINDLE This case of a "human" and "caring" schoolleader, Amdi Petersen, who wants to do good for the poor peole of this world is totally absurd. If any smart american,(Shapiro)laywer can convince the world about the fact, that Amdi is (or ever was)concerned and dedicated to do good, then there is no hope for jusitice, then "truth" has become a meaningless term.If Shapiro even dares to simulate that Amdi is a man of honour, he will tell you a lie. I believe that you americans praise freedom, and therefore it should be hard for any american laywer to defend a man like Amdi.Being a teacher at one of Tvinds schools is the same as giving up your personal freedom. Amdis leadership of Tvind is based on authority and mystique.Few memebers of the staff on the schools have seen Amdi alive for many years. Tvind is a finacial cult with Amdi as the guru with no democracy in his leadership.So please dont fool yourself (with the help of Shapiro) to think otherwise. Amdi has been hiding in his luxury around the world for years. He is good for millions and millions payed by the danish state to his school enterprises, but the money has instead been spent to benefit Amdis luxury life. This the danish police authorities has proof of. He also has generated the salaries of loyal teachers and the explotation of the third world.In Denmark according to danish law Amdi is charged with criminal transactions with tax-payed funds amounting to 75 million kroner. Amdi claims that he only has a salary pr year amounting to 70.000 kr! His lying.

I have seen one of Tvinds schools in Ulfborg together with my son, and it was obvious that very little money had been spent on the maintenance of the school buildings and facilities.It was characterized by old furniture, outdated computers and no cleaning. Compared to other similar boading schools, it was obvious that no money was spent on nice surrondings for the kids on the school.Also the teachers stab is limited with too few teachers for too many pupils. Now we understand why.To many people in Denmark have no trust in The Tvind"concept" of "helping" the third world, so few danish teachers want to be a part of that"concept". The money for maintenance was sent to Fishers Island(Amdi and Kirsten have a luxury compartment there) and to Amdis African farm in Zimbabwe. Believe me this man is a fraud! If Shapiro can convinse the judges of America about this mans integrity he has indeed fooled the world again. Congratulations Shapiro and America: the land of the free!! blentz@ofir.dk

Why are the row of positive, or maybe a bit more balanced comments just deleted??

Why is it that in 9 of 10 cases I CANNOT see any new posts here even when I delete all my cookies, disconnect from the internet, clear all temporary files and log back on?

Hello to everyone, I wanted to add something to the last posted message here. I agree, one important thing is to see clear facts rather than copying opinions from newspaper journalists. Another thing I want to give you to think of. I have been for several years in the TG. I know, what my very private money is used for. I know, that I do not have a car, others have. I do not have a house, others do. So what? Do I need it? Honestly, no, I don't. Do businessmen talk business flight rather then tourist class? Yes. Do they have a weekend house to relax after a stressfull week? Yes, they do. Why don't you let the people have, what they want. I do not feel oppressed nor harmed in any way. What the TG has given me is a job I am really happy about, not a job just to make money. And one of the best things is: My job makes lifes in Africa better. Which one of you can say the same about your job? I also do not start blaming people working at Shell, that they are destroying the nature, or telling people off, who work for the cigarette companies. Think about it, guys, bye for now...

Boring, turbo capitalistic and so on soap a lot of soap and nothing will probably happen. The smell is putrid. Nosferatus in search of blood. no, no blood at all, we will smile we afloated in a sea of chacals. Billions of wishes will fall into the mud, and freedom,that one that you don't know, will be dancing around. So many wishing a dead that will never happen. Freedom is other language, the language you'll never understand. Long life teachers group and keep smilling. (amdi has no interest to bush, he can't bomb the wind mill) Long life dear comrades, la victoria es nuestra e lo sera!

Tvind is not a cult! If it were a cult, it would be much better organised. I am a former solidaity worker. When I wanted to join the travelling folk high school, I had to call them everyday for one month. Everyday, I was told "we call you back tonight", or "we'll call you back tomorow". When you want to join a cult, you call and the next day you are in. Also, half of my team left after the first couple of weeks. You don't leave a cult that easily. Their study programm is a joke, the job the solidarity workers do in Africa is mainly useless. But if you count that we fundraise 44000 kroners and paid 20 000 kroners of school fees, that is not that much for study, travel, medecine (preventive and full curative treatment for malaria in one of the best hospital of Luanda) food and accomodation for one year. That is 5000 kroners a month, I would have spent more staying unemployed at home. Anyway, the main caracteristic of a cult is religion, and that was never mentionned neither during the studies nor during the volunteer work. When some members of my team asked for the authorisation to go to the (catholic) church on sunday morning, it was allowed, of course, even if the teachers were protestants or atheists. There were also muslim, jewish and budhists students in the school, and no religious discrimination whatsoever. I have to disagree with their working method, that can be sometimes a bit dogmatic, and with the way they treated some workers in Angola when I was there. I also think that this whole solidarity workers programm has no other goal than to recruite members for the teacher group, because they can't really put an add in the newspaper saying "come and join our comunity, share your salary with the group and so on". People join the teacher group only when they have been in contact with it for a while and decide that it is the kind of life they want for themselve. I didn't think it was how I wanted to live (and I had some "frictions" with some project leaders in Angola) so I went back home. It is true that fundraising and promoting the school and the project takes a big part of the study time, but on the other hand, I don't know any organisation that can survive without promotion, especially if it is independent. It might be a fraud, it might be corrupted, it is disorganised, it is not professional,I couldn't stand that stupid rule about no drug no alcohol (strange, for a cult), I could have spent that year more efficiently but I also had some great times and met some wonderful people among the other solidarity workers and even one amazing teacher and a very honest, human and helpful project leader in Angola. For me, this whole organisation is pretty bad, but it is not a cult.

Tvind is not a cult! If it were a cult, it would be much better organised. I am a former solidaity worker. When I wanted to join the travelling folk high school, I had to call them everyday for one month. Everyday, I was told "we call you back tonight", or "we'll call you back tomorow". When you want to join a cult, you call and the next day you are in. Also, half of my team left after the first couple of weeks. You don't leave a cult that easily. Their study programm is a joke, the job the solidarity workers do in Africa is mainly useless. But if you count that we fundraise 44000 kroners and paid 20 000 kroners of school fees, that is not that much for study, travel, medecine (preventive and full curative treatment for malaria in one of the best hospital of Luanda) food and accomodation for one year. That is 5000 kroners a month, I would have spent more staying unemployed at home. Anyway, the main caracteristic of a cult is religion, and that was never mentionned neither during the studies nor during the volunteer work. When some members of my team asked for the authorisation to go to the (catholic) church on sunday morning, it was allowed, of course, even if the teachers were protestants or atheists. There were also muslim, jewish and budhists students in the school, and no religious discrimination whatsoever. I have to disagree with their working method, that can be sometimes a bit dogmatic, and with the way they treated some workers in Angola when I was there. I also think that this whole solidarity workers programm has no other goal than to recruite members for the teacher group, because they can't really put an add in the newspaper saying "come and join our comunity, share your salary with the group and so on". People join the teacher group only when they have been in contact with it for a while and decide that it is the kind of life they want for themselve. I didn't think it was how I wanted to live (and I had some "frictions" with some project leaders in Angola) so I went back home. It is true that fundraising and promoting the school and the project takes a big part of the study time, but on the other hand, I don't know any organisation that can survive without promotion, especially if it is independent. It might be a fraud, it might be corrupted, it is disorganised, it is not professional,I couldn't stand that stupid rule about no drug no alcohol (strange, for a cult), I could have spent that year more efficiently but I also had some great times and met some wonderful people among the other solidarity workers and even one amazing teacher and a very honest, human and helpful project leader in Angola. For me, this whole organisation is pretty bad, but it is not a cult.

Tvind is not a cult! If it were a cult, it would be much better organised. I am a former solidaity worker. When I wanted to join the travelling folk high school, I had to call them everyday for one month. Everyday, I was told "we call you back tonight", or "we'll call you back tomorow". When you want to join a cult, you call and the next day you are in. Also, half of my team left after the first couple of weeks. You don't leave a cult that easily. Their study programm is a joke, the job the solidarity workers do in Africa is mainly useless. But if you count that we fundraise 44000 kroners and paid 20 000 kroners of school fees, that is not that much for study, travel, medecine (preventive full curative treatment for malaria in one of the best hospital of Luanda) food and accomodation for one year. That is 5000 kroners a month, I would have spent more staying unemployed at home. Anyway, the main caracteristic of a cult is religion, and that was never mentionned neither during the studies nor during the volunteer work. When some members of my team asked for the authorisation to go to the (catholic) church on sunday morning, it was allowed, of course, even if the teachers were protestants or atheists. There were also muslim, jewish and budhists students in the school, and no religious discrimination whatsoever. I have to disagree with their working method, that can be sometimes a bit dogmatic, and with the way they treated some workers in Angola when I was there. I also think that this whole solidarity workers programm has no other goal than to recruite members for the teacher group, because they can't really put an add in the newspaper saying "come and join our comunity, share your salary with the group and so on". People join the teacher group only when they have been in contact with it for a while and decide that it is the kind of life they want for themselve. I didn't think it was how I wanted to live (and I had some "frictions" with some project leaders in Angola) so I went back home. It is true that fundraising and promoting the school and the project takes a big part of the study time, but on the other hand, I don't know any organisation that can survive without promotion, especially if it is independent. It might be a fraud, it might be corrupted, it is disorganised, it is not professional,I couldn't stand that stupid rule about no drug no alcohol (strange, for a cult), I could have spent that year more efficiently but I also had some great times and met some wonderful people among the other solidarity workers and even one amazing teacher and a very honest, human and helpful project leader in Angola. For me, this whole arganisation is pretty bad, but it is not a cult.

I'm sorry sir, I misunderstood your post!

Could you maybe point out the stuff on this website that is, in your opinion "crap"? Bear in mind that the vast majority of the articles here have originally been written and documented by Danish newspaper reporters.

There was a really fuzzy picture of Amdi in his orange prison suit getting into a U.S. Marshalls bus in today's papers. It was taken from behind though so for the casual observer there was no way of telling that it was in fact him.

To the last poster

The great majority of the documments on this website are in fact straight from the Danish and European press - and not "crap" that we ourselves dream up when we have nothing better to do.......

To the person commenting on what I originally said, Mister "Naivety Is Bliss": Maybe it was unclear that I want people to clearly see the BAD facts about Tvind. And I think that these facts are more than enough proof (and better) of illegitimacy than insults and whatnot. It's just that when there's a lot of crap mixed in, people get fed up and stop wanting to sort through for the facts - which is, come to think of it, how I feel about this very webpage. I know there's some great incriminating truth here - but I also know there's a bunch of bullshit and then I get all frustrated and lazy to sort it out. I'm not naive and I'm not a "tvindie." (You can imagine a shudder here.) I apologize for being vague. (But, as a case in point, look how quick you were to accuse me of not being a "good guy" when I purposely stated no affiliation to or against Tvind?) You don't think a letter writing campaign (fact-based) or something could help now that Amdi's in custody?

I think amdi will give up and go back to Denmark Danish Prisons are far better and humane than American ones

Going down Going down Going down Going down Going down Going down goodbye tvind empire

Two of the things I noticed among my fellow theachers, at my relatively short time at Tvind some years ago: THE ABSOLUTE FEELING OF DOING THE RIGHT THING - and - THE FEAR OF UNCONTROLLRD CONTACT WITH PEOPLE ON "THE OUTSIDE". Thats not a healthy combination. I can imagine that there is a lot of cynism high up in the hierarchy. But I can also imagine that since those people probably only relate to and relay on a small static group, they might think that they are doing THE RIGHT THING....To the end.

To the person posting 6 posts down:

How are you going to convice anybody in the US of your version of the facts?

Consider how awful Tvind's public relations are in semi-socialist countries such as Denmark and Sweden in spite of all the work you have done to change this over the last 30 years.

And now you expect to suddenly convince the right-wing federal government of the United States that "they don't know the truth about Tvind" and that you are all "good guys"? If naivity is bliss...

How will Tvind be able to function with its entire leadership behind bars (as will probably be the case in ooh, let's say 6 months time?)

IT WON'T!!!

The Tvind/Humana scam is finally drawing to a happy close!

Can't wait to see the photographs of Amdi in orange

At a danish tvind school a debate, defending tvind, has just started out in english - take a look and join the party.

www.bogense-efterskole.dk/nh/guestbook.php

I have no doubt

That the Truth will out.

:) :) :) :)

A few thoughts: 1. There is a lot to be said about "Tvind," the Teacher's Group, Humana People to People, etc. There is a lot of valid criticism. Unfortunately, there is also a lot of mindless insult and slanderous speculation which muddles everything up and makes us all in-credible, be us pro or anti "Tvind." It also makes it completely frustrating for those who are uncertain. I think...that the facts should be enough. 2. There are a lot of People involved in this whole thing, most of whom are good people. Again, the issue with the mindless insults: Cult-members are generally viewed as victims. For those of you who truly believe that "Tvind" is a cult, why constantly insult the victims? 3. This whole Amdi thing - I find it highly amusing and fascinating, but not particularly hopeful. Whether you agree with is or not, the TG is smart; it's actually a really nice idea. Much as I'd like to just wipe out the whole thing, just to put my mind at ease (oh, but the doubts creep in, is it worth trading one life for another, if one person benefits from the DIs, if one family's life will be left unsupported, what is it worth?), but I fear it's not even possible. 4. Perhaps all of our time and energy would be better spent right now sendin FACTS where they count. The U.S. does not realize exactly how far this all goes. They just think they've got another simple tax fraud on their hands. And what else, exactly, would you charge Amdi Petersen of? All I can think of that helps is stuff I learned from Humana - If you want to get something done, don't just stand around talking about it, don't let Them do it - do it yourselves. Organize as a group, gather your strength, don't be afraid of not "knowing how."

That's about all, folks.

The LA Times has an article about Amdi today!!

Go to: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-000013863feb23.story

If that doesn't work, go to www.latimes.com, and put Amdi's name into the "search" box on the upper left corner of their home page!

Transcript (and translation) of a debate broadcast by the Swedish Broadcasting Corporation as part of the morning news feature on February 21st, 2002:

RADIO REPORTER: More than 2000 yellow UFF file://Humana People to People// containers are put up all over Sweden and Swedes give away tons of clothes each year by dropping them in these containers. But the question is: does the money really go to development aid projects in poor countries or does it end up in the pockets of a Danish suspected swindler? Our next subject this morning is the Swedish UFF and Danish Tvind.

Last weekend Mogens Amdi Petersen, leader of the Tvind movement, was arrested after having been wanted by the police for almost a year. He is suspected of having swindled the Danish state of 75 million DKK in taxes and he has spent the last 20 years in exile living in an enormous luxury appartment on an island in Florida. There are connections between the Tvind movement in Denmark and Swedish UFF, since UFF was once started by members of the core team of Tvind, what is called "the Teachers group". This is the reason that Swedish UFF now is being questioned more and more.

I say good morning to Nuri Kino, freelance journalist who has looked into UFF and its business.

NURI KINO: Good morning.

RADIO REPORTER: What would you say is the strongest evidence that there is a connection between UFF and Amdi Petersen?

NURI KINO: Well, there are for instance all the documents in our possession showing transactions, other verifications and different kinds of communication - letters, emails, etc. Not to mention the hundreds of people we have talked to during our time of investigation, like defectors from the core team, and current members of the core team who don't dare to go public but who feel it is high time it is exposed that Swedish UFF is controlled by Amdi Petersen and his closest collaborators in the Teachers group.

RADIO REPORTER: The Teachers group is controlling Swedish UFF, do you mean?

NURI KINO: Absolutely.

RADIOREPORTER: Last year the Swedish people gave away almost nine thousand tons of clothes to UFF, dropped into these containers, and many people buy things from the UFF stores all around Sweden in the belief that the money will go to aid to developing countries. Are all these people being cheated?

NURI KINO: Yes, they are. First of all, the nine thousand tons are only what is known to us. And the Swedish people have, in my opinion, entrusted Swedish UFF with the administration of funds because these clothes are turned into money and we are talking about at least - and that is an absolute minimum - 25 SEK per kilogram, so if you ask me, I would say that we are being cheated.

RADIO REPORTER: How much money does it add up to?

NURI KINO: It is hard to estimate as long as Swedish UFF does not open its books, but we are talking about at least 200 million SEK a year.

RADIO REPORTER: Trond Narvestad is the president of Swedish UFF. I say good morning to you.

TROND NARVESTAD: Good morning.

RADIO REPORTER: What influence does the Teachers group have over Swedish UFF today?

TROND NARVESTAD: UFF in Sweden is controlled by our board of directors which is elected by our members at the annual meeting. Those who run UFF in Sweden are totally independent in relation to both the Teachers group and Tvind and also other UFF organizations internationally. That is to say, UFF in Sweden is part of the federation Humana People to People, but it is still an independent and self-governed organization. I just want to say ... when he mentioned these figures of 200 million SEK it is the kind of numbers that are taken completely out of the blue. We collect between eight and nine thousand tons a year. The amount 25 SEK per kilogram that was mentioned here, that is the donation value given by SFI file://a Swedish authority for control of fundraising projects// for the clothes we donate - not the actual turnover for the clothes ...

RADIO REPORTER: Well, maybe we should ... You were saying that UFF is an independent organization: Nuri Kino, what did your investigation show?

NURI KINO: First of all, "UFF in Sweden", as Trond Narvestad - who is Amdi Petersen's closest co-worker in Sweden - choose to call it, is a front organization in which the actual commercial business, the enterprise, is called "UFF in Stockholm". Noteably Trond Narvestad didn't mention that fact. Secondly, Trond Narvestad claims that the Teachers group is not in control, which makes it very remarkable that he, being the front figure of the Teachers group in Sweden, as recent as the autumn of 1999 wrote a letter to other - what shall we call them? - let's call them other "lifetime members" who have signed a lifelong contract binding them to the sect ...

RADIOREPORTER: Yes, and you brought the letter with you, didn't you? You have it here in the studio?

NURI KINO: Yes, among a number of other documents.

TROND NARVESTAD: Look, I would like to oppose to that. I am not a front figure of the Teachers group here in Sweden.

RADIO REPORTER: But let us hear the first few lines of this letter that Nuri Kino has brought.

NURI KINO: "To the Teachers group in Sweden: Concerning the issue on UFF as a member organization. What is UFF's purpose of the organizational structure in Sweden? 1. We want to secure the control over UFF's operation in Sweden, so that nobody can take over what we have achieved. 2. We want a good legal platform for UFF which does not jeopardize the Teachers group's money and which gives us the best financial and legal foundation for our work."

RADIO REPORTER: Trond Narvestad, what are your comments to this?

TROND NARVESTAD: Well, this is of course a private letter that I wrote some years ago, but what it says has to do with UFF's operation and how UFF should be able to keep the control of its own business. This was written with a major recruiting campaign at hand and we had ...

RADIOREPORTER: OK, but tell me, Trond Narvestad, why does it say "Teachers group" in the letter?

TROND NARVESTAD: It says so because some of the members of our board happen to be members of the Teachers group.

RADIOREPORTER: Are you yourself a member of the Teachers group?

TROND NARVESTAD: Not at the moment.

RADIOREPORTER: Have you been a member of the Teachers group?

TROND NARVESTAD: I have been a member, yes.

RADIOREPORTER: When did you leave?

TROND NARVESTAD: Well, there has been a somewhat vague transition period, you could say.

RADIOREPORTER: When did you last leave the Teachers group?

TROND NARVESTAD: No, but this is ... this is a completely private matter and ....

NURI KINO: It wasn't more than three months ago, Trond Narvestad, that you told me in an interview that both you and I know about the Teachers group and you said to me: "well, you know that I'm a member of the Teachers group."

TROND NARVESTAD: Yes, but I have been ...

NURI KINO: And now you are suddenly the president of UFF in Sweden.

TROND NARVESTAD: Yes, but is it so strange that we have changed presidents?

NURI KINO: And then it isn't the clothes from the Swedish people ...

TROND NARVESTAD: Now I'd like to ... Listen, I'd like to say something too. It is after all us that are being dragged through the mud here and now I'd like to say something too, because we are actually facing a major world campaign. We did have a tax debt - and we haven't tried to cover that up in any way - we have a tax debt and the members of our board were held responsible privately for this debt, and that's why this was a letter to those of our teachers who were on the board as an assurance that they wouldn't end up in a situation demanding that they pay with their own money for this. This happened many years ago. I would like to point out that Kino for instance said ... and that is actually very important now that we are discussing our development aid projects ... what it is that really comes out as a result of these clothes and what really comes out of the money we earn. And Kino has said when he interviewed our employees that we have very qualitative projects. Our Aids program is probably one of the best in the world. And I would like to point out that ...

RADIO REPORTER: But Nuri Kino's investigation does indeed show that a lot of the money doesn't go to development aid projects at all.

TROND NARVESTAD: Yes, but we are audited by a certified accountant, we have an approved account for the funds, we are controlled by the SFI. I can guarantee here and now that all of our profit and all the clothes we collect, we administer as best as we can in order to create projects that ...

RADIO REPORTER: But why won't you make your accounts public?

TROND NARVESTAD: But they are public, they are public.

RADIO REPORTER: Are all of your books public and open to everyone?

TROND NARVESTAD: All our accounts are of ... now is ...

RADIO REPORTER: Nuri Kino, what problems have you encountered when you have tried to investigate UFF?

NURI KINO: Swedish UFF doesn't want to answer questions about their accounts at all, and they refuse to share their accounting and their books with others. And we have given them quite a lot of opportunities to do so. Then it is the case of those small-scale projects Trond Narvestad mentions - they add up to 6 to 7 millions SEK and included in that amount is the support of other aid organizations money, a fact that Trond Narvestad knows very well.

TROND NARVESTAD: We receive minor contributions from other organizations but we ourselves contribute with 3 to 5 ...

NURI KINO: Trond! Just open the books for us and put and end to the whole discussion!

TROND NARVESTAD: We have opened the books.

NURI KINO: No, you have never done that, and besides ...

TROND NARVESTAD: You can go to our web site and review our accounting there.

NURI KINO: Trond! Trond! I'm sorry but in the annual report for fiscal year 2000, even at the very first page, when I discussed it page by page with you, together with Juan Flores, you had manipulated every single line, and you have admitted it to me, Trond, that you use double-entry book-keeping. Why do you do that?

TROND NARVESTAD: We don't use double-entry book-keeping ...

NURI KINO: You admitted it yourselves. Why?

TROND NARVESTAD: No, we don't use double-entry book-keeping... We use ... What we do is, we have UFF constructed as a number of local subdivisions all over the country. And that is why we have ...

NURI KINO: And according to Swedish law you may not use consolidated financial accounts for an organization constructed like yours.

TROND NARVESTAD: According to the SFI requirements we should use consolidated financial accounts ...

NURI KINO: You have told me that you only use SFI in order to legitimate your other operations.

TROND NARVESTAD: That isn't true.

RADIO REPORTER: We will have to wrap up this discussion now between Trond Narvestad, president of Swedish UFF, and Nuri Kino, freelance journalist. Finally, Nuri Kino, I would just like to ask you - those who shop in UFF's stores or put clothes in the containers, what conclusions should they draw from this discussion?

NURI KINO: Before people buy anything from UFF or give away their clothes, they should ask UFF in Sweden and - most importantly - the other UFF organizations, like UFF in Stockholm, to open their books.

RADIO REPORTER: And openly show the public where the money goes, you mean?

NURI KINO: Yes!

RADIO REPORTER: Thank you very much, Trond Narvestad, president of Swedish UFF, and Nuri Kino, freelance journalist.

 

What will the statement from the pro tvind folks be now that an US court found it reasnoble to keep amdi in prison. Maybee something like: The US is tourning aginst tvind, ore ,finally the us shown its real face. Wake up tvindies...now you got everybodies attention, and a once in a life time oppertunity to prove what wounders you a resposible for in the world. Now its time to show your cards. But you will not, and that teels me everyting i need to know about tvind. Grow up, and be responsible for your actions.

 

whoops, take a look down to the 1), 2), 3), post below... apparently someone was queued up just before me, the "Palestinian" commentator... I had meant to refer to the post just below the Palestinian commentator's comment (which had been the last one posted when I wrote MY post), and the comment just below THAT. My reference to "you may be right", was in reference to Amdi possibly being granted bail, because in the US money does tend to talk...

I guess not today, though... Maybe there is some hope, yet...

Gade, 10 Shapiro, Zero

:) :) :) :) :)

Score one for the good guys!

Amdi was denied bail today which means that he will have to remain in prison until March 19 when the extradation case is to start.

I really don't like it when people (tvindies?) post shite like the post about Amdi and the Palestinians!

It takes away from the credibility of the site...

If anybody has any questions that Tvind/Humana and Amdi are connected at the hip, they just have to look over some of the postings here from the Amdi loyalists...

Well its about time Amdi is going down lets watch the rats run from the sinking ship Drew

Well its about time Amdi is going down lets watch the rats run from the sinking ship Drew

And a nice day to you too, my ESL friend! :)

Anyway Kern County Jail is described as "tough but fair", it should do Amdi some good!

hi tvindalert people do you cenzored messages you are funny people and if you dont have to pay taxes than only stupid people will pay isgoverment fault, if you can say so, that they have holes in policy and is good thet people who want to do good find it not only rich capitalists but also socialists

Amdi i hope is not so hard for you in jail... have nice day people

probably you will soon see that amdi is free

 

 

 

1) (To the poster 5 spots down who relates the Danish press outline of Tvind's "tactics") -- can somebody give us an overview here of what was written? A rough (if not precise) translation?? Some of us in English-speaking countries are waiting on the edges of our seats, and/or agonizing over the papers' website articles without having the faintest idea of what they're saying!!! Which paper was this in? Is there an illustration, a chart? Thanks!

2)(To the poster immediately below THIS post): You may be right. On the other hand ... well, stay tuned, we may be surprised at what happens ... One thing about this is that in the US Amdi is a nobody with money -- with whom has he cultivated friendships he could use to back him up (besides his sudden buddyship with M. Shapiro)? Nobody,in the US is much invested in keeping him here. Money talks, yes; money and influence talk louder...It's possible, too that a foreign national running a sort of international conspiratorial organized crime ring will be met with less tolerance in the US now than he would have been in, say, August of last year...

3)(To the poster immediately below that): You have to leave the message board completely, and then come back in to see your post come up... that's the way the messaging program works.

 

This is most likely unsubstantiated, but there have been rumours for the last little while that the reason the FBI has moved Amdi to the max-security prison outside Los Angeles is because they may be investigating links between Amdi and certain Palestinian organisations.

Once again this is PROBABLY PURE SPECULATION!!!

 

I can't see Amdi being extradicted.

Mogens Amdi Petersen must have hundreds of millions of dollars. Maybe billions. There is no way people like that suffer any harm in America.

Why does it take so long for this guestbook to show you your post?

Aaaaaaw Sabrina, are all those redneck bastards in NORTHERN CALIFORNIA(.......) being mean to you?

Well you have to understand that the whole world is a bunch of rednecks and that the only ones who will be "saved" are the "progressive" Tvindies. It is a cult, what do you expect?

Sabrina, the CCTG along with the other schools/companies are FOR-PROFIT operations, funnelling income through various scam funds such as "Total Control of the Epedimic" right into Amdi Petersen's pockets.

The Danish press showed proof of this tactic in todays papers. Tvind is a goner...

...why is it that everybody who comes out of a tvind program as a "true believer" has also been comvinced that everybody in the communities surrounding them is a redneck racist? Without actual experience in these communities how do you know??? ... I would challenge you all to go out and "help" the people in the communities surrounding you... and see for sure what kind of people you're dealing with.. that way you can know for yourselves that the TG is just feeding you standard Tvind paranoia propaganda. I wonder who came up with the script...it's been around for years... identical wherever you go...

Yes! Todays newspapers in Germany reported Amdi Peterson arrested in Los Angeles. Finaly there will be justic!

i personally went to campus califorina tg and yes it was a lot of work because the school was just starting up and ruth tomas and poitr always told us that we would particapate in the building of the school. it did cost a lot of money to go BUT this is a non profit organzation and they only ask for room and board and barely even that. the fundraising was not so bad and it trained us for when we went to africa! you have to know how to talk to people and be comterble talking to people when your trying to go to africa to teach children how to speak english or when you teach people about the epiemic. CCTG is not a cult, it is a lot of honest people trying to work hard to do something most people are to lazy or heartless to do which is to HELP PEOPLE. the tvind people who write such harmful things about such a great organzation should visit cctg or at least etna. AND last but not least the articule written about cctg "has a cult moved into etna" was written by a local and if you people know anything about etna you would know that it is a town of about 700 people who still call black people jungle monkeys and when the orthodox monks moved to etna tried to run them off the dirt roads in their 67 pickups so when they say its cults thats like beliving a cave man when he says the earth is flat so basically get your facts straight before you bad mouth something! sabrina binastarus@yahoo.com

tuotto,

I am sorry to be the one to tell you this and I really don't like bursting your cosy little bubble but the sole purpose of Humana is to feed Amdi Petersen's ego.

And look where Humana brought him today, county lock-up in the San Joaquin Valley together with Bubba and Billy-Bob...

Get out of Tvind now, it is going to get even uglier...

tuotto

suck my balls

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