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I am currently slated to attend a 'preparation period' at IICD in Williamstown MA in the next couple of weeks. Your website has provided me with a new perspective, however I would like to contact two of the people that supplied testimonials to your website: James, and Nick Moss Gilespie of Toronto, Canada. Although there is much mention on your website of being able to contact you, and in fact James openly invites inquiries, without Microsoft Outlook, it is impossible to contact you. Could you please supply me with an email address for James as well as one for Nick Gilespie. Thank you. My email address is lchotowetz@yahoo.ca

er det en forening mot tvind i norge ? kinaune@sol.no

hei jeg heter kine .Jeg vil bare si til dere alle som er her titter at denne organisasjoner blir bare strre og strre.Det nytter protestere p mten unge mennesker blir behandlet p .Takk for det dere gjorde for meg.Jeg vil gjerne jobbe for dere p heltid si ifra hvis det er noe jeg kan gjre Kineaune@sol.no her har dere min e-mail jeg gikkp peterslyst ridesenter i 1995

hello I'm kine a lady i want to work for you I'm redy to figt for wat I belive is good for us .Out with tvind . take care all of you we are many now thay canot harm us now.Take one step of time and you wil see that one stick can be broken but not many off them good somone does care for the people that may have the most horrors in their minds . Send me e-mail i went on peterslyst ridecenter in denmark good luck everyone it help to be strong

to Jesper in norway, to Else marie in denmark, to rene in denmark, you are fucked in the head and make many goood people sufer, i owe you all. i will visit all of you one day and rape you all you head fucking basterds.

im crazy, i was in tvind. HELP MEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

These organisations actually do a lot of good! I know

Please Please Please remember what little good these organisations may do is grossly outweighed by the fact that the lions share of money generated is kept in the hands of so few and benefits those few.Why all the secrecy over publishing accounts and the like?By joining these cowboys you are generating wealth for the elite core of this organisation not for the poor of the developing world. Ive seen some of this at closehand and what I saw left me disturbed.There are more benefical ways of aiding and changing the world than joining this organisation.

If you are thinking of joing one of the teams I say do it I am no longer with Humana but the experiences were great. What no one mention about is the stipend given to volunteers while on the projects and the care the organisation takes of you when you are ill. I love Africa and the people!!!

How much money will you pay for information on the location of Ambi Petersen? the guru???|

It is often quite easy to sit in the first world and make comments and criticisims about development work in the 3rd world but how many of you actually done something about it. I also had the privelidge to visit the IICD MA the school in the USA and met with great people, graduate students and professional people, your article in the Boston Magazine stated that the individuals at the school is brainwashed; I really don't think it is that easy to brain wash Americans, and all the people I met there were very sane.

I think that it is time to move on and leave people to make their own choices and think of the lives of the people that will be affected in Africa, India and Central America. I would be happy to know that more volunteers are going abroad.

ANNA LAURSEN THE LEADER OD TVIND TEL:0045 28193640

my name is wangjing,I came from china,i HAD WORKED FOR TVINE 4 YEARS,I HATE TVIND,FUCK TVIND,IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE,PLEASE CALL ME0045 28193642.

I am a former volunteer with IICD-MA. I had a solid preparation period and an eye-opening experience abroad- not about TVID, but about the nation that I was working in, the people that I was working for, and global development issues- just what I wanted to learn about.

There are people on the staff who are part of TG and people who are not. They work together to run the school and to teach about development issues. While I was there, two staff members left for graduate school, one was a member of TG and one was not, both were sad to leave but left with new things on the horizon which were fully supported by the director, the rest of the staff and the volunteers.

This program is a good choice for anyone who wants to see the world, work towards real change and has the motivation to do so.

05-04-2001, Kiev / Ukraine

Re: Invitation for cooperation

Dear Sirs,

In the very beginning we would like to provide you with general information about our company:

Megatex ITC is a large Ukrainian wholesale trading corporation with the head office based in Kiev / Ukraine. We have been working in the Ukrainian second hand market for more than 6 years.

Nowadays we are enlarging the volume of our orders and planning to resume our work with the suppliers from the U.K.

Therefore we would like to check the possibility of our work with your company for further permanent cooperation and purchasing up to 30-60 tons of original container and street collection second hand clothing per week (it's about 2-4 truck per week).

We are interested mostly in buying so called 'door-to-door' and container collection of second hand clothing.

Hereby we would like to request you to provide us with information regarding the goods offered for sale by your company and the price for these goods.

When quoting the prices for us please be advised that for the previous year we've reached the average monthly goods turnover equal to 300 tons and it was done solely by means of creating our own distributors net that is now widely spread all over Ukraine and covers almost all its regions.

We are free to start our cooperation right upon receiving your agreement and your prices and ready to make the prepayment into your account for our orders right now.

In case you may have some questions regarding the above here's the phone number of our interpreter Mr. Valerij Davidov + (380 44 ) 247-95-60 you are free to contact him any time at your convenience.

Assuring you of our best attention at all times and hoping for our further fruitful cooperation,

Alexander Schelyakov, Director of Megatex ITC.

Does anyone know anything about The Yunnan Institute of Development. It isn't open yet but will open in September. It is being organised by Ebbe Larsen. Email me.

szymek_@yahoo.com

Jostein, If you read this please email me at trish_blais@hotmail.com I am back in North America and would like to continue our discussion about Walden 5 (was that the name of the book you lent me all those years ago) plus discuss new experiences. I hope you are happy. Peace!

I voluntered at a school in Denmark a few years ago and decided after 6 or so months that the things I had managed to find out about the organisation left me no option but to get out. I had met some really great people there, some of the students in my group were fantastic people and although a few years younger than me they took me under their wing. Some of the students were from families of refugees in Denmark and seemed to imply that because their Danish wasnt quite up to scratch they had problems being accepted at mainstream Danish schools and had been "dumped" at Tvind schools.These students were highly intelligent and I could well belive their stories. Some of the Danish students also seemed to imply they had been placed there too for being a little too lively in there old schools and some had choosen to be there. The vast majority were clever articulate people and all held Tvind in great distain. From them I learnt a little of this money swindling venture. I know they gained a certain amount of benefit at a certain level but control of them as a collective was the order of the day. There was also a Travelling High School on the grounds and some of the students here became good friends. I was very good friends with a swedish person my own age and any free time we had we hung out together. One of the Danish students who had been there for over a year at that stage warned me to be careful and that if the teachers found out I may be sat in the middle of a circle with them pressurizing me not to form close relations with anyone. He also told me of some of thier questionable fund raising scams and off shore accounts and the like. Fotunately within 48 hours of arrivingin Denmark I had been warned by a passer by to watch out for myself and to get out of Tvind. What I saw from the beginning I didnt like, at first I thought they were right minded socalists who first aim was to benefit the students in thier care and to carry out good work in the developing world but the more I found out the less this seemed to be the over riding principle.Money has corrupted this organ

For information on TVIND in Denmark You may contact - markrussell@37.com

I'm not a TVIND-person but I've worked in the system in Denmark. I believe that TVIND is all about getting money and the interrest in other people is not the main thing for them. I know that some of the workers really do have good intentions but they are absolutely blind to the fact that most TVIND-projects are a scam and that somebody gets a lot of money in bank-accounts in Scwitzerland. I've personally witnessed many absurd things within the system and I think that most of the workers are incredible naive. The bosses know exactly what they are doing but just don't mind what the rest of society thinks. They constantly use the same excuses like - truth is always prey to persecution - and stuff like that. I have many examples on how they cheat the state of a lot of money and neglect the people they are supposed to help. I'm not easily shaken but in this case I'm really surprised and angry about the fact that this can happen.

Mark

To : Sales Manager From : El-European Imported & Trading Co . hany shawke wahba Subject : Business relationship.

Dear; Sir/Madam/Miss As I represent a trading and imported company from ( Port said ) Egypt and I specialized in imported women , men and children clothes from all over the world so I got your e-mail address through the internet and here I'm writing to your good self in order to have the chance to make a business deal with your respected company specially that the winter season will start soon in my country Egypt so I would like to have your productions as a new product to our huge egyptian market specially that this my first time to deal with your respected company . so I will be much appreciate to your good self if you can provide me by a price list of your different products with your best best price to enable me to distribute your products inside the Egyptian market as I'm really looking forward to have a long term business relationship between our two companies . Thank you in advance for your corporation . with my best regards . hany shawke wahba Company Manager my e-mail: hany_wahba73@hotmail.com

To Whom It May Concern:

A Reference for Tomas and Ruth During the time between February 1998 and April 1999 I was a participant in the development instructor course run by the One World Volunteer Institute, where Tomas was the Headmaster and Ruth was a fellow participant and then teacher. I joined the course to broaden my horizons and try out something new and interesting, and that was exactly what I did. The course was intense and invigourating, stimulating you to use all of your abilities, developing them as far as you could and finding new ones that you hadnt realised were there. The activities were diverse so that there was something there for everyone and always something new to tryout, there was also a lot of flexability to the activities to allow the students to mold their own education to a degree.

I found Tomass leadership and the support and help from Ruth and the other teachers at the school inspirational, the work and thought that went into forming the course and making it work was much more than any other school I have been to or heard about. The people are there because they believe in what they are doing and enjoy it, that in itself is admirable and stimulates the students to do their best also. The results are obviously successful from the amount of work and achievements that occur during the development work in Africa and other countries where the students go. I enjoyed every bit of my experiences and believe I have grown considerably as a person and have come to realise a lot more is possible in life than I did before.

I hope that the new school run by Tomas and Ruth is as or even more successful, as I have no doubt it will be, they are both dynamic and able people who can make any goal attainable.

 

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Did you know that if you say "Amdi Petersen" backwards three times, that he will appear!

I'm sure that there is much truth in the stuff you are writing and i'm also not so happy on a School like that but if you really hate Tvind as much as that then come with some better exampels. I think that you exaggerate a bit but else i have your opinion.

I know the people who have started the Campus California TG, Tomas and Ruth. They are both from The One World Volunteer Institute in Norway. Tomas was the Headmaster in OWVI and Ruth was a student, turned teacher, turned Tomas' girlfriend. I was a participant there in 98-99. This California campus is a joke. The two of them know nothing about the environment and have never been environmental advocates. This idea is an easy sell in Northern California, where real people who live there fight for protection of their land. Tomas and Ruth show up not for the same reasons... they may claim to have compassion for the area and the struggles there, but the reality is different. Tomas is a lying, coniving, evil man. But then again, if memory serves me right... he was brought into the TG at a very early age... something like 16. Has he ever taken a step out to see what he has done with his life? Can he look at himself and be proud? Well this is a separate issue... Just want people to know a little more about the California Campus and the people running the show.

Hi, I am currently working for a tvind school as a volunteer and I am enjoying my work and feel it is very worthwhile, but in september 2000 I felt very differently, I was working in an area called Helsingor and the treatment I recieved there was disgusting. I was there for one month without anyone speaking to me unless it was to tell me what my next task was, it was clear that the TG had no respect for me or my boundries, I was only there as cheap labour and to do the jobs no one else would do.I then asked for a transfer to another school (because the head master called me an incompetent bitch) but it was made clear to me that if I wanted a new school I would have to try harder, in other words they felt it was my fault that it hadn't worked out, not the fact that I was expected to work 15 hours a day without so much as a coffe break. But I am glad to say that I am now in a school were I am valued as part of the teaching team and I have also been given a larger salary as a thankyou for my extra effort. I would also like to add that I think it is very interesting that I was allowed to work with these special children without so much as a reference or a police check!!!! I am not saying tvind is either bad or good but if they have nothing to hide why was I not told about tvind when I was interviewed for the job???? If you would like more info or just want to chat here's my address kirsty212@yahoo.co.uk

dudieman was here on the 10th of march dayin hello to walker !!

It seems to be the case that DAPP/Tvind is close to President Mugabe of Zimbabwe. In fact, Robert Mugabe has given Tvind a lot of support. He must continue to do so as DAPP are 'white farmers'....

It would be very interesting to know what DAPP's view is on the brutal one-party thuggery of Mr Mugabe's current politics.

Do you think if (when?) Mr Mugabe is toppled, that Tvind would be allowed to stay in the country?

Yang Fang yangfang0718@yahoo.com I am an ex-solidarity worker from the highschool in Tvind and Teacher Training College in Maputo, Mozambique. Although I am proud of having been to Africa, I hate ADPP, or whatever their name is, very much. I would be glad to share my opinion with anybody in help. Contact me if necessary.

Inside information on small schools i was a inmate at both redhouse and winestead for five years and know a lot about what went on between 1992-1997 please phone my friend on 07733466795 or email centraltim@hotmail.com for more information SHANE BLAKESTON YORK

the problem and reason not more people stand up against HUMANA is that they DO make a very SMALL contribution, not biggerthan the actual physical labor put out by the hard working well intended actions of many volunteers. But the fact remains..... Some people are getting rich off of naive volunteers... the "goals" or end does not justify the means. All this is... is a private company profitting!!!! IT IS NOT A NON-PROFIT ORGANISATION.

Keep up the good work they must some how be stopped!

I think that it is time to move on and leave people to make their own choices and think of the lives of the people that will be affected in Africa, India and Central America. I would be happy to know that more volunteers are going abroad.

ANNA LAURSEN THE LEADER OD TVIND TEL:0045 28193640

my name is wangjing,I came from china,i HAD WORKED FOR TVINE 4 YEARS,I HATE TVIND,FUCK TVIND,IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE,PLEASE CALL ME0045 28193642.

This program is a good choice for anyone who wants to see the world, work towards real change and has the motivation to do so.

Alexander Schelyakov, Director of Megatex ITC.

Jostein, If you read this please email me at trish_blais@hotmail.com I am back in North America and would like to continue our discussion about Walden 5 (was that the name of the book you lent me all those years ago) plus discuss new experiences. I hope you are happy. Peace!

I voluntered at a school in Denmark a few years ago and decided after 6 or so months that the things I had managed to find out about the organisation left me no option but to get out. I had met some really great people there, some of the students in my group were fantastic people and although a few years younger than me they took me under their wing. Some of the students were from families of refugees in Denmark and seemed to imply that because their Danish wasnt quite up to scratch they had problems being accepted at mainstream Danish schools and had been "dumped" at Tvind schools.These students were highly intelligent and I could well belive their stories. Some of the Danish students also seemed to imply they had been placed there too for being a little too lively in there old schools and some had choosen to be there. The vast majority were clever articulate people and all held Tvind in great distain. From them I learnt a little of this money swindling venture. I know they gained a certain amount of benefit at a certain level but control of them as a collective was the order of the day. There was also a Travelling High School on the grounds and some of the students here became good friends. I was very good friends with a swedish person my own age and any free time we had we hung out together. One of the Danish students who had been there for over a year at that stage warned me to be careful and that if the teachers found out I may be sat in the middle of a circle with them pressurizing me not to form close relations with anyone. He also told me of some of thier questionable fund raising scams and off shore accounts and the like. Fotunately within 48 hours of arrivingin Denmark I had been warned by a passer by to watch out for myself and to get out of Tvind. What I saw from the beginning I didnt like, at first I thought they were right minded socalists who first aim was to benefit the students in thier care and to carry out good work in the developing world but the more I found out the less this seemed to be the over riding principle.Money has corrupted this organ

For information on TVIND in Denmark You may contact - markrussell@37.com

I'm not a TVIND-person but I've worked in the system in Denmark. I believe that TVIND is all about getting money and the interrest in other people is not the main thing for them. I know that some of the workers really do have good intentions but they are absolutely blind to the fact that most TVIND-projects are a scam and that somebody gets a lot of money in bank-accounts in Scwitzerland. I've personally witnessed many absurd things within the system and I think that most of the workers are incredible naive. The bosses know exactly what they are doing but just don't mind what the rest of society thinks. They constantly use the same excuses like - truth is always prey to persecution - and stuff like that. I have many examples on how they cheat the state of a lot of money and neglect the people they are supposed to help. I'm not easily shaken but in this case I'm really surprised and angry about the fact that this can happen.

Mark

To : Sales Manager From : El-European Imported & Trading Co . hany shawke wahba Subject : Business relationship.

Dear; Sir/Madam/Miss As I represent a trading and imported company from ( Port said ) Egypt and I specialized in imported women , men and children clothes from all over the world so I got your e-mail address through the internet and here I'm writing to your good self in order to have the chance to make a business deal with your respected company specially that the winter season will start soon in my country Egypt so I would like to have your productions as a new product to our huge egyptian market specially that this my first time to deal with your respected company . so I will be much appreciate to your good self if you can provide me by a price list of your different products with your best best price to enable me to distribute your products inside the Egyptian market as I'm really looking forward to have a long term business relationship between our two companies . Thank you in advance for your corporation . with my best regards . hany shawke wahba Company Manager my e-mail: hany_wahba73@hotmail.com

To Whom It May Concern:

A Reference for Tomas and Ruth During the time between February 1998 and April 1999 I was a participant in the development instructor course run by the One World Volunteer Institute, where Tomas was the Headmaster and Ruth was a fellow participant and then teacher. I joined the course to broaden my horizons and try out something new and interesting, and that was exactly what I did. The course was intense and invigourating, stimulating you to use all of your abilities, developing them as far as you could and finding new ones that you hadnt realised were there. The activities were diverse so that there was something there for everyone and always something new to tryout, there was also a lot of flexability to the activities to allow the students to mold their own education to a degree.

I found Tomass leadership and the support and help from Ruth and the other teachers at the school inspirational, the work and thought that went into forming the course and making it work was much more than any other school I have been to or heard about. The people are there because they believe in what they are doing and enjoy it, that in itself is admirable and stimulates the students to do their best also. The results are obviously successful from the amount of work and achievements that occur during the development work in Africa and other countries where the students go. I enjoyed every bit of my experiences and believe I have grown considerably as a person and have come to realise a lot more is possible in life than I did before.

I hope that the new school run by Tomas and Ruth is as or even more successful, as I have no doubt it will be, they are both dynamic and able people who can make any goal attainable.

 

---

 

 

Did you know that if you say "Amdi Petersen" backwards three times, that he will appear!

I'm sure that there is much truth in the stuff you are writing and i'm also not so happy on a School like that but if you really hate Tvind as much as that then come with some better exampels. I think that you exaggerate a bit but else i have your opinion.

I know the people who have started the Campus California TG, Tomas and Ruth. They are both from The One World Volunteer Institute in Norway. Tomas was the Headmaster in OWVI and Ruth was a student, turned teacher, turned Tomas' girlfriend. I was a participant there in 98-99. This California campus is a joke. The two of them know nothing about the environment and have never been environmental advocates. This idea is an easy sell in Northern California, where real people who live there fight for protection of their land. Tomas and Ruth show up not for the same reasons... they may claim to have compassion for the area and the struggles there, but the reality is different. Tomas is a lying, coniving, evil man. But then again, if memory serves me right... he was brought into the TG at a very early age... something like 16. Has he ever taken a step out to see what he has done with his life? Can he look at himself and be proud? Well this is a separate issue... Just want people to know a little more about the California Campus and the people running the show.

Hi, I am currently working for a tvind school as a volunteer and I am enjoying my work and feel it is very worthwhile, but in september 2000 I felt very differently, I was working in an area called Helsingor and the treatment I recieved there was disgusting. I was there for one month without anyone speaking to me unless it was to tell me what my next task was, it was clear that the TG had no respect for me or my boundries, I was only there as cheap labour and to do the jobs no one else would do.I then asked for a transfer to another school (because the head master called me an incompetent bitch) but it was made clear to me that if I wanted a new school I would have to try harder, in other words they felt it was my fault that it hadn't worked out, not the fact that I was expected to work 15 hours a day without so much as a coffe break. But I am glad to say that I am now in a school were I am valued as part of the teaching team and I have also been given a larger salary as a thankyou for my extra effort. I would also like to add that I think it is very interesting that I was allowed to work with these special children without so much as a reference or a police check!!!! I am not saying tvind is either bad or good but if they have nothing to hide why was I not told about tvind when I was interviewed for the job???? If you would like more info or just want to chat here's my address kirsty212@yahoo.co.uk

dudieman was here on the 10th of march dayin hello to walker !!

It seems to be the case that DAPP/Tvind is close to President Mugabe of Zimbabwe. In fact, Robert Mugabe has given Tvind a lot of support. He must continue to do so as DAPP are 'white farmers'....

It would be very interesting to know what DAPP's view is on the brutal one-party thuggery of Mr Mugabe's current politics.

Do you think if (when?) Mr Mugabe is toppled, that Tvind would be allowed to stay in the country?

Yang Fang yangfang0718@yahoo.com I am an ex-solidarity worker from the highschool in Tvind and Teacher Training College in Maputo, Mozambique. Although I am proud of having been to Africa, I hate ADPP, or whatever their name is, very much. I would be glad to share my opinion with anybody in help. Contact me if necessary.

Inside information on small schools i was a inmate at both redhouse and winestead for five years and know a lot about what went on between 1992-1997 please phone my friend on 07733466795 or email centraltim@hotmail.com for more information SHANE BLAKESTON YORK

the problem and reason not more people stand up against HUMANA is that they DO make a very SMALL contribution, not biggerthan the actual physical labor put out by the hard working well intended actions of many volunteers. But the fact remains..... Some people are getting rich off of naive volunteers... the "goals" or end does not justify the means. All this is... is a private company profitting!!!! IT IS NOT A NON-PROFIT ORGANISATION.

Keep up the good work they must some how be stopped!

Dear; Sir/Madam/Miss As I represent a trading and imported company from ( Port said ) Egypt and I specialized in imported women , men and children clothes from all over the world so I got your e-mail address through the internet and here I'm writing to your good self in order to have the chance to make a business deal with your respected company specially that the winter season will start soon in my country Egypt so I would like to have your productions as a new product to our huge egyptian market specially that this my first time to deal with your respected company . so I will be much appreciate to your good self if you can provide me by a price list of your different products with your best best price to enable me to distribute your products inside the Egyptian market as I'm really looking forward to have a long term business relationship between our two companies . Thank you in advance for your corporation . with my best regards . hany shawke wahba Company Manager my e-mail: hany_wahba73@hotmail.com

I found Tomass leadership and the support and help from Ruth and the other teachers at the school inspirational, the work and thought that went into forming the course and making it work was much more than any other school I have been to or heard about. The people are there because they believe in what they are doing and enjoy it, that in itself is admirable and stimulates the students to do their best also. The results are obviously successful from the amount of work and achievements that occur during the development work in Africa and other countries where the students go. I enjoyed every bit of my experiences and believe I have grown considerably as a person and have come to realise a lot more is possible in life than I did before.

I hope that the new school run by Tomas and Ruth is as or even more successful, as I have no doubt it will be, they are both dynamic and able people who can make any goal attainable.

 

---

 

 

Did you know that if you say "Amdi Petersen" backwards three times, that he will appear!

I'm sure that there is much truth in the stuff you are writing and i'm also not so happy on a School like that but if you really hate Tvind as much as that then come with some better exampels. I think that you exaggerate a bit but else i have your opinion.

I know the people who have started the Campus California TG, Tomas and Ruth. They are both from The One World Volunteer Institute in Norway. Tomas was the Headmaster in OWVI and Ruth was a student, turned teacher, turned Tomas' girlfriend. I was a participant there in 98-99. This California campus is a joke. The two of them know nothing about the environment and have never been environmental advocates. This idea is an easy sell in Northern California, where real people who live there fight for protection of their land. Tomas and Ruth show up not for the same reasons... they may claim to have compassion for the area and the struggles there, but the reality is different. Tomas is a lying, coniving, evil man. But then again, if memory serves me right... he was brought into the TG at a very early age... something like 16. Has he ever taken a step out to see what he has done with his life? Can he look at himself and be proud? Well this is a separate issue... Just want people to know a little more about the California Campus and the people running the show.

Hi, I am currently working for a tvind school as a volunteer and I am enjoying my work and feel it is very worthwhile, but in september 2000 I felt very differently, I was working in an area called Helsingor and the treatment I recieved there was disgusting. I was there for one month without anyone speaking to me unless it was to tell me what my next task was, it was clear that the TG had no respect for me or my boundries, I was only there as cheap labour and to do the jobs no one else would do.I then asked for a transfer to another school (because the head master called me an incompetent bitch) but it was made clear to me that if I wanted a new school I would have to try harder, in other words they felt it was my fault that it hadn't worked out, not the fact that I was expected to work 15 hours a day without so much as a coffe break. But I am glad to say that I am now in a school were I am valued as part of the teaching team and I have also been given a larger salary as a thankyou for my extra effort. I would also like to add that I think it is very interesting that I was allowed to work with these special children without so much as a reference or a police check!!!! I am not saying tvind is either bad or good but if they have nothing to hide why was I not told about tvind when I was interviewed for the job???? If you would like more info or just want to chat here's my address kirsty212@yahoo.co.uk

dudieman was here on the 10th of march dayin hello to walker !!

It seems to be the case that DAPP/Tvind is close to President Mugabe of Zimbabwe. In fact, Robert Mugabe has given Tvind a lot of support. He must continue to do so as DAPP are 'white farmers'....

It would be very interesting to know what DAPP's view is on the brutal one-party thuggery of Mr Mugabe's current politics.

Do you think if (when?) Mr Mugabe is toppled, that Tvind would be allowed to stay in the country?

Yang Fang yangfang0718@yahoo.com I am an ex-solidarity worker from the highschool in Tvind and Teacher Training College in Maputo, Mozambique. Although I am proud of having been to Africa, I hate ADPP, or whatever their name is, very much. I would be glad to share my opinion with anybody in help. Contact me if necessary.

Inside information on small schools i was a inmate at both redhouse and winestead for five years and know a lot about what went on between 1992-1997 please phone my friend on 07733466795 or email centraltim@hotmail.com for more information SHANE BLAKESTON YORK

the problem and reason not more people stand up against HUMANA is that they DO make a very SMALL contribution, not biggerthan the actual physical labor put out by the hard working well intended actions of many volunteers. But the fact remains..... Some people are getting rich off of naive volunteers... the "goals" or end does not justify the means. All this is... is a private company profitting!!!! IT IS NOT A NON-PROFIT ORGANISATION.

Keep up the good work they must some how be stopped!

I'm sure that there is much truth in the stuff you are writing and i'm also not so happy on a School like that but if you really hate Tvind as much as that then come with some better exampels. I think that you exaggerate a bit but else i have your opinion.

I know the people who have started the Campus California TG, Tomas and Ruth. They are both from The One World Volunteer Institute in Norway. Tomas was the Headmaster in OWVI and Ruth was a student, turned teacher, turned Tomas' girlfriend. I was a participant there in 98-99. This California campus is a joke. The two of them know nothing about the environment and have never been environmental advocates. This idea is an easy sell in Northern California, where real people who live there fight for protection of their land. Tomas and Ruth show up not for the same reasons... they may claim to have compassion for the area and the struggles there, but the reality is different. Tomas is a lying, coniving, evil man. But then again, if memory serves me right... he was brought into the TG at a very early age... something like 16. Has he ever taken a step out to see what he has done with his life? Can he look at himself and be proud? Well this is a separate issue... Just want people to know a little more about the California Campus and the people running the show.

Hi, I am currently working for a tvind school as a volunteer and I am enjoying my work and feel it is very worthwhile, but in september 2000 I felt very differently, I was working in an area called Helsingor and the treatment I recieved there was disgusting. I was there for one month without anyone speaking to me unless it was to tell me what my next task was, it was clear that the TG had no respect for me or my boundries, I was only there as cheap labour and to do the jobs no one else would do.I then asked for a transfer to another school (because the head master called me an incompetent bitch) but it was made clear to me that if I wanted a new school I would have to try harder, in other words they felt it was my fault that it hadn't worked out, not the fact that I was expected to work 15 hours a day without so much as a coffe break. But I am glad to say that I am now in a school were I am valued as part of the teaching team and I have also been given a larger salary as a thankyou for my extra effort. I would also like to add that I think it is very interesting that I was allowed to work with these special children without so much as a reference or a police check!!!! I am not saying tvind is either bad or good but if they have nothing to hide why was I not told about tvind when I was interviewed for the job???? If you would like more info or just want to chat here's my address kirsty212@yahoo.co.uk

dudieman was here on the 10th of march dayin hello to walker !!

It seems to be the case that DAPP/Tvind is close to President Mugabe of Zimbabwe. In fact, Robert Mugabe has given Tvind a lot of support. He must continue to do so as DAPP are 'white farmers'....

It would be very interesting to know what DAPP's view is on the brutal one-party thuggery of Mr Mugabe's current politics.

Do you think if (when?) Mr Mugabe is toppled, that Tvind would be allowed to stay in the country?

Yang Fang yangfang0718@yahoo.com I am an ex-solidarity worker from the highschool in Tvind and Teacher Training College in Maputo, Mozambique. Although I am proud of having been to Africa, I hate ADPP, or whatever their name is, very much. I would be glad to share my opinion with anybody in help. Contact me if necessary.

Inside information on small schools i was a inmate at both redhouse and winestead for five years and know a lot about what went on between 1992-1997 please phone my friend on 07733466795 or email centraltim@hotmail.com for more information SHANE BLAKESTON YORK

the problem and reason not more people stand up against HUMANA is that they DO make a very SMALL contribution, not biggerthan the actual physical labor put out by the hard working well intended actions of many volunteers. But the fact remains..... Some people are getting rich off of naive volunteers... the "goals" or end does not justify the means. All this is... is a private company profitting!!!! IT IS NOT A NON-PROFIT ORGANISATION.

Keep up the good work they must some how be stopped!

Do you think if (when?) Mr Mugabe is toppled, that Tvind would be allowed to stay in the country?

Yang Fang yangfang0718@yahoo.com I am an ex-solidarity worker from the highschool in Tvind and Teacher Training College in Maputo, Mozambique. Although I am proud of having been to Africa, I hate ADPP, or whatever their name is, very much. I would be glad to share my opinion with anybody in help. Contact me if necessary.

Inside information on small schools i was a inmate at both redhouse and winestead for five years and know a lot about what went on between 1992-1997 please phone my friend on 07733466795 or email centraltim@hotmail.com for more information SHANE BLAKESTON YORK

the problem and reason not more people stand up against HUMANA is that they DO make a very SMALL contribution, not biggerthan the actual physical labor put out by the hard working well intended actions of many volunteers. But the fact remains..... Some people are getting rich off of naive volunteers... the "goals" or end does not justify the means. All this is... is a private company profitting!!!! IT IS NOT A NON-PROFIT ORGANISATION.

Keep up the good work they must some how be stopped!

 

I can understand why a Pro-tind folks would call readings on this site a waste of time. To all potential tvind students, have you never wondered why every critiqe of the organisations are blamed for being nero-nazist's etc. have you never wounder why they try to sabotage the authorityes investigagitions of fraud with in tvind?

read the last 10 enteries in this guestbook, and you will understand. Every time an interesting discussion is on its way, tvind folks put in all their propaganda, tying to turn focus away from what tvind is really about.

frosig2001@yahoo.dk

Dear Visitors I am working with the non-profit organization Campus California TG and it is very interesting to see that I can find so much information about CCTG from people that have never even visited this place. It easy to create mis-information about someone else especially if you are not doing the work yourself. I am at CCTG every day and you can send me an email to info@cctg.org or phone to 530 467 4082 ask, talk and visit. Where are you people? It is easy to say that something is bad or wrong but it requires a lot of courage to do something yourself or make changes. I wish all people that want to do something good dont waste too much time in a web site like this, but that they take/get the opportunity to create something good for/with other people.

Best regards

Piotr Durjasz Campus California TG

I haven't noticed any racial slurs or use of profane language in any of the postings written by people who agree with TvindAlert's mission. However, as Matt has pointed out, there have been a litany of postings from pro-Tvinders in which the language has been caustic and abusive. In addition, please allow me to inform you that I can prove all of my allegations about Tvind, ADPP, and/or IICD. I personally experienced several death threats from a former employee and the district police chief in the country in which I served as Project Manager. Good friends of mine from World Food Program, Oxfam and the local community knew my story and wanted to take action, but I thought it was best if I first let ADPP decide how to proceed. Ironically, despite the strict security rules issued upon us by ADPP (i.e., "Don't go out after 6:30 p.m.", "Don't socialize with people outside of the organization", "Don't drink alcohol EVER", "Don't talk to the media", etc.), ADPP chose not to do anything about my safety or security during the first 3 weeks in which these death threats were occurring. In fact, it wasn't until I informed the local UN office about it myself that ADPP attempted to remedy the situation. -- And for those of you who might be prompted to say that I MUST be a racist or bigot or whatever b/c why else would my employee and the local police turn against me, allow me to explain the circumstances. My employee stole AK-47's from my project and I fired him. Because I fired him, he wanted revenge. End of story. - Jafina

Hey Matt. I am sorry about the not a good page. What I meant with that phrase is that you seems to attack people who defend themself in a forum where People like Frosig can write whatever the like whenever the want. Frosig is trying to defend you in his letter, but at the same time throw alot of accusation Around. If you get raped and if you get sick and if, if, if without backing up this stories. In my opinion is he one of the reasons why the discussion is in level below dignity And why people react as the do. If people at one hand try to show some dignity, and at the same time use this dignity as a cover like Frosig is doing, then I find it hard to communicate. I hope you get my point and that people will think twice before accusing who knows how for who knows what and start to create a dialog instead of hate like Frosig is doing, in my opinion. Best wishes Ray

Sorry Matt. I'am not as fast as you - I didn't see your reply to Ray until I posted my own contribution.

frosig2001@yahoo.dk

Reply from Frsig

Sure the police has to prove that the accused are innocent, but why make their work so hard? Wouldn't it look much better if Tvind where co-operating with the police, instead of trying to sabotage their investigations? And reading the answers from teachers and students from tvind, I do not understand how you can aprove of an organisation where people will turn on you with the most outrageres allegation, because you question the methods of the organisation. At the school I can see that the students are scared, but now beginnig to ask questions, while the teachers are trying to prevent an open dialog. If you are a potential tvind-student, would you lay your life in the hands of such an organisation, knowing that you have to rely on their support, if you should get sick, raped ore just mugged etc? To every potential student: I can assure that within tvind the organisation comes first, and if your "accident" could harm the organisation, then you will regreed for the rest of your life that you ever joint them.

Ray, I can't help woundering: Where did Matt write that this isn't a good page? In his contribution he writes that this is a very educationel site, because it shows the kind of tactics used by pro-Tvind folks - and I agree, as I pointed out in my previous contribution.

frosig2001@yahoo.dk

Hi Ray,

Thanks for the reply. I appreciate the tone and civility but repectfully disagree with your comments.

First, I never said that this was a good page before Tvind posters started. I actually find it far more interesting now. Second, I do read the comments from pro-Tvind posters but in my opinion they do not really encourage a dialogue because they are usually arguments to stop bothering Tvind because (1) the do good work and (2) are unfairly critique because of their "non-orthodox" lifestyle.

One, I (and clearly many other people) think that the effectiveness of Tvind development projects is questionable. Tvind can claim that it has planted so many trees, help so many people, etc. but without outside and independent evaluations of Tvind projects we have to take Tvind's word on this. I for one am not willing to do this in light of my own personal experience and what I have heard from other people. Plus it is very unclear how money flows from Tvind into these projects.

Second, I think that the non-orthodox lifestyle is just a red herring. Tvind is not targeted because it does things differently but because it does not inspire confidence that it is making a good faith effort to follow the laws and rules that govern non-profits and development projects. Instead, it is secretive, furtive and hostile to outside inquiries or any questioning of its work. Even if Tvind has nothing to hide why does it act like it does?

Matt

Hi Ray,

Thanks for the reply. I appreciate the tone and civility but repectfully disagree with your comments.

First, I never said that this was a good page before Tvind posters started. I actually find it far more interesting now. Second, I do read the comments from pro-Tvind posters but in my opinion they do not really encourage a dialogue because they are usually arguments to stop bothering Tvind because (1) the do good work and (2) are unfairly critique because of their "non-orthodox" lifestyle.

One, I (and clearly many other people) think that the effectiveness of Tvind development projects is questionable. Tvind can claim that it has planted so many trees, help so many people, etc. but without outside and independent evaluations of Tvind projects we have to take Tvind's word on this. I for one am not willing to do this in light of my own personal experience and what I have heard from other people. Plus it is very unclear how money flows from Tvind into these projects.

Second, I think that the non-orthodox lifestyle is just a red herring. Tvind is not targeted because it does things differently but because it does not inspire confidence that it is making a good faith effort to follow the laws and rules that govern non-profits and development projects. Instead, it is secretive, furtive and hostile to outside inquiries or any questioning of its work. Even if Tvind has nothing to hide why does it act like it does?

Matt

Hello Matt. I can see that you get upset with the things people are writing. If you look at it are they not just doing what everybody else is doing? Then you get upset about people answering back on the different things people write about them. How can you write that this was a good page before people started to answer back. Well this is what you accused the people who defend Tvind of doing, not listening to other people. and now you don't want them to answer back after you have being screaming for them to come out in the open. It seems to me this is a non win situation for them, if the don't say anything it is wrong and if the do, then is wrong to. I think you should think about the things you write, or maybe it is the way you write them. What you are doing here is to tell people that you are right and the are wrong instead of trying to create a dialog, but maybe you don't want a dialog? Kind regard Ray

To Anne who is headmaster of DRH Tvind and characterized James as a drug user. Do you really expect people to believe this transparent attempt to discredit a strong critic of Tvind? Come on.....

Matt

Wow! You go away for a few days and things really heat up. Tvindalert must be hitting Tvind's recruitment and fundraising efforts since there is now a concerted effort to de-legitimize the site. I actually think that this is the most educational and effective part of the site because it shows the kind of tactics used by pro-Tvind folks.

So far people who have posted their opinion of Tvind (based on the own personal experience) have been called racist, anti-semites, neo-nazis, people without lives, spreaders of dis-information, hoping that AIDS will "solve the Africa problem", hasish smokers, dickhead and fucking sick man. Even discounting the more "colorful" phrases there is a clear pattern in which those who question the value of Tvind are subjected to a verbal barrage and character assassination.

Is this really a group of people that anyone would want to join?

Matt

Dear Frosig. You are a misarable son of a bitch. Now you try to hide yourself behind attacking people who attacks you, and the thing you write. The are simply doing what you are doing. Are you sure that you don't work for the people behind this page? Are you one of the people behind this page? If you read your historie books then you will find out that he didn't only pay money to the movie, but he also toke part in making it (Frede Farmand). Anyone who is speaking his case with out putting ? is either one of a kind, or incredible stupid. About the police investigations, it is not up to people to prove themself innocent but it is the police who have to prove them guilty (and they haven't). Greetings Heinz

Reply from Frsig

Why I'am writing in this forum? It is one of the most visitid sites, by potentiel tvind-students. And if it is possible, I want to make them think it trough before they go in to a tvind program. Please explain how that makes me an antisemitist ore neo-nazist. It seems like you consider every body that dosen't aprove of you methods, to be a threat aginst humanity, and I'am sure most people do not aprove of this way of arguing. Every time I succeded in provocating you to bring forward such an agument, it gives outsideres a good idea of what tvind is about.

Why don't you explain to me why tvind is not co-operating with the police, instaed of sabotaging their investigations?

frosig2001@yahoo.dk

Even though things written on these pages by the people BEHIND this site, make me feel sick to my stomach, I cannot help myself and therefore wish to ad my contribution to this lively discussion of right and wrong.

People who often engage themselves to acts like the Tvindalert pages, can be identified as bigots, such as antisemites and neo-nazis. When people are fighting against something blindly and without proper facts with methods that can only be seen as bitter and malevolent psychological aggression, you start to think that for whom or what is it actually meant for ?

Is it against the Teachers group, against the work that Humana People to People does, or is it against all of human society?

The things written on the Tvindalert pages not only insult me personally, but they also insult and humiliate those who are proud of what they are doing and proud of being part of development work. People, who are fair and understanding, are being attacked by people, who do not have any idea of fairness nor justice.

Why do these people do this way? I could imagine that this site is meant for channelling out disappointment and lack of meaning in the life. It is not their intension to seek out any kind of truth, but to spread misinformation and abuse freedom of speech.

Most of the things written on these pages are nothing less than full-blown lies of people, who are attempting to look like honest peace-promoting people, but in fact are trying to hide their own rotten agenda and use this site as their channel to spread propaganda.

Proud of being part of development, Kimmo Karsikas

Who the fuck is Frosig? It seems to me he dosn't have a life. Are you living for this page? Don't you have other things to do? If not, get a life. And that goes for the rest of you to. Forget this hate and anger and move on, life is to short for bitching around. It would be nice with some fact to make ones decission on instead of people who has nothing but gossip. Best wishes to all of you.

Arn.

Hi Tvind alert!

Don't worry, we'll keep you "alert" for as long as you like - and I think you'll give it up first.

Please visit www.tvind.dk

to experience the real thing instead!

Greetings, Peter Wik

Reply from Frsig To begin with, lets get straight what questions you asked. (I assume it was you that raised the questions, and if it wasn't you, you should make an effort to find out what question I answered, but to keep track of what we are discoussing I will repeat the questions). You asked: "What does it matter if someone would "consider" that the money [that they have given away to a foundation as if it] still "belongs" to them?". Read my reply agian - I argued that there is a differecde between "considering" and "useing" the money as if where your on after the transfer is made. You are right that judges hasn't spoken jet, but that desn't mean that TG, Amdi and Jrgensen is not criminel. A drugpusher is crimmenel even though the police hasn't got a case aginst him ore her. But just like many drugpushers, Tvind is not co-operating with the police - and accordig to tvinds history - they proberly never will. Why not? Why do thay keep trying to kill every open dialog?

Concerning www.fonden.org: Why should the information on site be trusted, when tvind cann't go in to and open dialog with critics. Journalists and scientists that has asked for acces to the research - to see how tvind does their research -are cicked out. If the research results are so good, why is it only the populistic interpretations that the public know about, and are allowed to see?

frosig2001@yahoo.dk

Is that illegal?? "It might be "stupid" but it certainly is not illegal. The Fond still has to and have follow the rules and laws. There is nothing illegal or criminal by giving your money away to fond. It is nothing criminal or illegal for the fond to use their money according to their objectives.

To frosig.

Don't you think it is terrible that US companies and private persons can write of donations from their taxes?? "Stealing money from the state"?

Or what is it that makes you think that being a company donating computers to a school is allright while donating money used to create wind energy, broadcast information from the "third world", support the AIDS work in Africa is not? Your logic does not make sense to me.

Anyone that studies what "fonden" has given money to cannot be in doubt that the projects are quite some good ones.

What does it matter if someone would "consider" that the money still "belongs" to them? Is that illegal?? It might be "stupid" but it certainly is not illegal. The Fond still has to and have follow the rules and laws. There is nothing illegal or criminal by giving your money away to fond. It is nothing criminal or illegal for the fond to use their money according to their objectives.

Your reasoning does not make sense!

To all you reading this. Take the opportunity to study www.fonden.org. What does make sense and what doesn't?

Look upon all the results that has been achieved by people donating their money. Quite amazing that so many people are willing give 15% of their salaries away!!! Why shouldn't they get tax reductions? That is a normal procedure in many places of the world.

Frosig. Maybe you want to donate some money?

To Frosig

First of all you need to work with facts.

1) The Fond is not convicted of any crime. Stop write about it as criminal. That is something based on your opinion, not on facts. 2) The Fond and its lawyers claim that the Fond has used the money according to their objectives. Ergo, they are not guilty until guilty proven. Further do I not believe that the people running the Fond are so stupid that they would put false information out on a website!!!! In this situation!! www.fonden.org clearly descibes all the projects that has been supported. It is several humanitarian, scientific and environmental projects that has been supported.

3) Read the Letter from a teacher group member that has got his computer stolen at http://www.tvind.dk/password_til_friheden.htm (I assume that you understand Danish). He obviously think that is quite strange that his computer has been stolen in the first place. I agree. I would compare it with You giving some money to a church. Some persons suspect that the church is not doing what they are supposed to. The Police break into your house and steal your computer. Do they call you and ask for your password? No!!! But the next thing you hear is that you might face jail for 6 months because you do not give your password!!!!!

Is its several Danish lawyers that is working on this case. This to protect the individuals, group and the Fond concerned.

People that are in the Teachers group and that have chosen to put 15% of their money into a Fond are living under the same sun and laws as any other Danish citizen. You can not make special laws and regulations for them.

"Is it something rotten in the state of Denmark"??

Scandinavia "Tvind"- Charity or Cult?

Tvind, nominally a charitable educational organization begun in Denmark, now with branches in many Western European countries, and the U .S ., is actually a multinational money-making conglomerate with cultic aspects, according to reports from the British and Scandinavian press and recent correspondence from former members.

Tvind--"Humana" in English-speaking countries-- has become known to the public through its Development Aid from People to ~le (DAPP), an organization that collects used clothing which it sells inexpensively or gives away in Third World countries, where it maintains community development projects manned by young recruits from Europe.

Tvind was founded in the early 1970s by the charismatic Mogens Amdi Petersen, who built a string of "progressive" boarding schools which specialized in taming troublesome children and emphasized a pro-Third-World outlook. There are now 40 Tvind schools in Denmark, Norway, the U.S., and Britain. The organization also owns plantations in St. Vincent, St. Lucia, Grand Cayman, and Belize, and a shipping company, all in the Caribbean, bringing the value of the group's property in 1989 to t:22 million.

According to Tvind, 12-15 percent of the clothing, the best of it, is actually sold in the group's shops in Europe, where advertising tells potential buyers that sales will benefit the overseas poor. Half of the clothing goes to Africa--where it is sold rather than given away in order to avoid creating an aid culture, says Humana, and to create jobs. Thirty percent is sold to rag traders, and 10 percent is given away.

A report prepared for the Swedish government in 1992 found that only 2 percent of money raised by the organization actually found its way to recipients in Third World countries, while almost 80 percent went for the salaries of project leaders and to train "solidarity" workers.. The report prompted a block on Swedish government funding for DAPP. Humana public clothing collection boxes are now banned in Oslo and Bergen, in Norway, while the Belgian govemment charity agency in 1993 advised cities in that country not to allow installation of the boxes. The Dutch government last year ordered an investigation of the operation. (From "Charity (Continued on page 9)

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: What it's Like in Tvind

Former member Anne Ellingsen, a Norweagian recruited into Tvind at age 16, in 1982, told a 1993 internationa conference on cults: "One really enters Tvind after about two years of living and traveling with one of its schools. Then, as a "teacher," the potential member is expected to sign a so-called "lifetime" contract, the conditions of which are to give all of your time, property, and earnings to Tvind. The contract is valid until age 67, one of my teachers told me. About 600 men and women live their lives like this. They have a harsh life and can be ordered anywhere on the globe at any time. One can expect to be separated from others with whom one has initiated close friendships. Tvind teachers work up to twenty hours per day, seven days a week, and all year around.

"The kinds of work they do includes organizing house construction in African countries, working children as young a five-years-old very hard. Indeed, Tvind uses child labor wherever it gets access to unprotected children, in Norway as well as in South America, Malaysia, or Morocco . . . . They claim that the projects help the Third World, but it just helps Tvind leaders accumulate wealth.

Totalitarian Teachers

"Some of my best friends became Tvind teachers, and soon cut off contact with their families. The sect sends photo-copied letters to the parents telling them how the sun is shining and their children are learning solidarity by practicing it in the Third World. A father got his son home for Christmas, but, as he told me, not in the conidtion he would have liked. Johnny was dead. He was my age and he was one of my best friends. But he became totally loyal to Tvind after extensive use of methods learned by Tvind teachers on study trips to Kampuchea, Albania, and North Korea. Tvind usually makes the parents pay for transportation for their children's coffins . . . . Let me end by quoting the former Danish minister of education, Mr. Bertil Haarder, in the Newspaper "Politiken": "I can testify that Tvind's tactics are to talk and talk, complain and harass, threaten again and again. They are clever and they are dangerous . . . . They are totalitarian Marxist with an unholy motive behind their organizaiton.""

Concerning a guestbook entry:

Hello you guys from Tvindalert! Can you please go to http://www.tvindalert.org.uk/tvind_on_the_internet.htm and update some of the links? There are failures in some of them. So do something useful. Thank you very much for the co-operation. With best wishes, Jan Naumann Promotion Manager :) ____________________________________________________

-ok, with a little help from your friends:

The link to DRH Southsealand is far too old. Please replace it through this one: www.lindersvold.dk

The rest of the links are fairly good. A bit messy, but basically ok. If I take some more time, I will make some suggestions to it later, how to improve and update the links. If you want, I can also make a comment to each of the schools under the links? Let me know. Thank you. Jan ;)

From Frsig

the last part after my signature, in the message below should have been removed. It as a part from a question raised to me further below.

Thank You, frosig2001@yahoo.dk

Reply from Frsig

I'am asked to consider if it is a problem if someone would "consider" the money they have given away to a found as if it still "belongs" to them. Secondly I'am asked if it is illegal. (These questions remind me of disussions I have with my 4 year old son, when somebody wants to borrow his toys)

Ofcouse it is not illegal to "consider" money you have given away to a found as if it is still your own, but according to danish law it illegal if you "use" the money as if it is still your own - there is a big difference. When it has been proven in court that the Teacher Group, Amdi and Jrgensen has used the money in the found as if was their own, nobody in there right state of mind will state that there is not a problem. The money should only be used in accordance with the objectives that defines the found, and ofcouse it isn't illegal if this is the case, but many investments that has nothing to do with the founds objectives has been financed, and therefore a crime has been comitted. If Tvind hasn't done anything wrong, then they should co-operate with the police instead of trying to sabotage their investigations. Did you know that the ones that wouldn't give up the password to their computers risk going 6 months to jail for not co-operating with the police? Would you keep back a password if you had done nothing wrong, and the information on the computer could clean your reputation? And considering that the information should be accesable for the public, according to danish law. does it look like a trustworthy act? And knowing, that the only reason that the police is investigating their dispositions is that they have keept back information, that every found in denmark is obligated to show the authorities, no reasonable person would try to sabotage their work.

frosig2001@yahoo.dk

? Is that illegal?? It might be "stupid" but it certainly is not illegal. The Fond still has to and have follow the rules and laws. There is nothing illegal or criminal by giving your money away to fond. It is nothing criminal or illegal for the fond to use their money according to their objectives.

Please seriously consider your motives if you are thinking about joining a Tvind program. Are you volunteering in order to get some experience in a developing country prior to university or prior to choosing a career? Are you going because you have a particular yearning to "help the poor"? If you are going to get some experience, I urge you to look into more reputable, shorter programs that have a greater long-term impact in the communities in which they are working. If you are joining in order to "help the poor", please think about how much more you would be able to do for the world if you first had an education and had expertise to share with others living in impoverished areas. - Jafina

Anyone who would like information about the Travelling Folk High Schools please contact me, i have just come back from one, and the findings were INTERESTING........ babylon_will_fall@hotmail.com

Contact me for the truth.

To frosig.

Don't you think it is terrible that US companies and private persons can write of donations from their taxes?? "Stealing money from the state"?

Or what is it that makes you think that being a company donating computers to a school is allright while donating money used to create wind energy, broadcast information from the "third world", support the AIDS work in Africa is not? Your logic does not make sense to me.

Anyone that studies what "fonden" has given money to cannot be in doubt that the projects are quite some good ones.

What does it matter if someone would "consider" that the money still "belongs" to them? Is that illegal?? It might be "stupid" but it certainly is not illegal. The Fond still has to and have follow the rules and laws. There is nothing illegal or criminal by giving your money away to fond. It is nothing criminal or illegal for the fond to use their money according to their objectives.

Your reasoning does not make sense!

To all you reading this. Take the opportunity to study www.fonden.org. What does make sense and what doesn't?

Look upon all the results that has been achieved by people donating their money. Quite amazing that so many people are willing give 15% of their salaries away!!! Why shouldn't they get tax reductions? That is a normal procedure in many places of the world.

Frosig. Maybe you want to donate some money?

Regarding Jafinas letter from here stay in Angola.

The Development Instructor program that is run by Humana People to people and the "travelling folkhigh schools" gives people the possibility to experience and learn about the world at the same time sas they contribute to development. It is a program open for anyone regarding race, opinions, previsous experience and education. The fundamental principle as that most anyone are allowed to participate and that development work is carried out by people that actually takes action. That is a principle that aims to include and not EXCLUDE! I have been in Angola and am proud of the work I have done. I have worked with child aid, teaching and in construction. It made a difference! For the people I worked with, for the area and for me. And again, development is carried out by people that have the wish to do so. I have seen 18 year old "young girls" doing an excredible good work and I have seen highly educated and experienced people not achieving much. I still appreciate everyones effort and input in doing something and wish them all my best. I also wish the "Oxfam people" and Jafina the best and just like the rest of us also they will learn by doing.

We need to take actions for a better world! Do not let the previous letter from Jafina dis-encourage you if you wish to join

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