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Lots of TG members and former TG members do NOT AGREE with the statement made by Peter
It is true that many organizations do a tremendous good work world-wide. Humana People of People is one of them. Teachers and Development Instructors from IICD, Tvind,CICD, One World Volunteer Institute etc are also doing a very good work.
Peter, it would be alot more helpful if you were to list the "other" organizations, instead of just saying that they exist. I joined this school because I felt that their intentions were pure, and because I still have SOME of my idealism intact. I would be interested in getting e-mail from people who want to share their knowledge, NOT their speculation. I saw first hand Tvind, and I was not fearful or suspicious. A few things were out of my normal view such as the vacumn toilets, (yuck) but that is about it. So instead of a vague allusion to other organizations, let's see a concrete list. OK? Persephone
Dear Persephone, Lots of us former TG members thought exactly the same - we stayed with Tvind for the same reasons. Actually, I think we did also some good work but did not realise what the TG framework meant. One day you may realise how they trapped you and made you see things their way. By the way, why don't you use your power in another organisation? Lots of organisations do a tremendous job in the socalled Third World, but outside the Danish TG-Tvind remote control and exploitation. Peter.
Wow well done, I feel as geared up for a conspiracy theory as when the Masons are discussed! I just returned from a trip to Europe, and all the schools involved. Which includes Tvind, Lindersvold, and various small schools. What I found was many like-minded individuals who had an interest in doing something worthwhile in their lives. Not people brainwashed by some unknown "guru", but people who had an honest concern for the well- being of those who happen to be born into the "wrong" or poor cultures of the world. It's not surprising that this website exists, most people are very contented in wallowing in a negative view of the world, and there is nothing more satisfiying than gossip to the bored and bland masses. When people begin opening their eyes to the rest of the world, and start questioning their television diet, they are then regarded as a threat. May I ask what is being threatened here? When we take the blinders off and see the world for all of it's corrupted-ness, we then have the option to do something about it. But sadly, Americans, as well as Europeans, are satisfied with a narrow view of the world. Would'nt want to dirty their pristine perceptions! I am personally going to India to plant trees, and start a bee-keeping project- what's so bad about that? I have been fortunate enough to be born in one of the most affluent nations in the world, and I feel it's time to learn about how others in this "small" world live, and their daily hardship. I lived in the same city my whole life, with the same type of people around me, those in want of naught. I felt very closed in and not very in tune with the rest of my fellow humans on this planet. This is a good way for me to travel, learn about myself, and meet some of the coolest people. It excites me to have connections to others in Europe, others who are tired of being spectators, but want to be involved in the process of doing our much- needed part in facilitating change. I don't think their is anything that I could say to turn the tide of negativity in regards to Tvind, except that people who want to believe all this will probably be interested in the who's backstabbing who of the daily soaps. To those people there is nothing to be said. But to the others who may still have your faith in humanity intact, I know you are a special breed of human; you know the kind who still gives a rat's ass about others beyond themselves. My e-mail is persephoneb2000@yahoo.com, and I am from IICD MI. Thank you, and goodnight! PS. Hello to Vincent, Drake, and Slim at Tvind. Word up to Euen at Lindersvold! You guys are so Rock n Roll, Love Ya!
"I wish more people, governments, organisations, charities NGO's - everybody on this planet - would "rant" more about how to deal with the HIV/AIDS pandemic."
I'm sorry, I certainly didn't mean to offend anybody, of course we all want to see the horrors of AIDS in Africa and indeed around the world stopped. I just find it interesting that Tvind actually seems to be entering a venture that there is no way they can make money off.... Maybe Amdi has turned soft in his old age;)
I wish more people, governments, organisations, charities NGO's - everybody on this planet - would "rant" more about how to deal with the HIV/AIDS pandemic. I think that all efforts to stop this terrible disease, now a poverty related disease, should be encouraged. I am not surprised that Humana have stepped up their efforts to fight against HIV/AIDS, since it is one of the biggest problems in southern Africa. I wish them the best of luck.
INTERESTING....(?)
Does anyone have a theory as to why so many people in this world do not want to spend the time, effort and money needed to stop the spreading of AIDS in Africa!
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
Hi Molly??
-Who do you think should pay for IICD;s house rent? -Who do you think should pay for the teachers salaries? -How much does it costs to study at a University in USA including your boarding and living expenses? Count on how much you need to pay and fundraise at IICD. Take away some of the expenses that they do not have on IICD but have on the University, put on the price for insurance and air ticket to Africa or Central America and other expenses that IICD have that the Uni do not have.
What would it cost IICD to pay rent for that kind of building if they rented it somewhere else in USA? When did IICD start? How much did they pay in rent that time?? Did the teachers get a salary??
How much do you think the teachers could earn, with their amount of hours spent at IICD in any other work?. How many hours do they work a day? 10, 12, 14 or more???
How many people in this world would put their money together, work as hard as it require to make IICD into a reality??
When you talk about economy, what are you comparing to???
What do the Peace corp educators spend their money on? Is that better then saving together with others and get the opportunity to buy and run a plantation?
What do the UN employees spend their money on? Is that better then putting your money down so that a building for a place like IICD can be bought?
What do the ordinary person spend his money on? Is that better then what the Teachers at IICD spend their money on?
Lets say that the buildings at IICD would be owned by some bank or a private company, lets say that the teachers got a salary and did not chose to put it aside in the teacher group. Do you really think that it would be an economical difference??
Is it the economy of IICD you do not like?
So, maybe you are concerned about what the teacher groups spend their money on? What do you think it takes to start up the development projects? What do you think it takes to start up schools?
I think it is better to be thankfull to people in the Teachers group. Very few people in this world are willing nor able to put a cent a part for anything else then their own and maybe a little donation to a fundraiser from IICD.
Congratulate them with the good results they have achived!!! They must be REALLY HARD WORKING if they apart from all what they are doing also can buy a farm!!!
You don't need to like it. You might think that IICDs aim and program are not good. You are free to think so.
But maybe it is not as "bad" as you try to describe it.
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
http://www.planetaid.ca/ I would check this site for future tvind ventures in canada...
To Nathan Yue, IICD or IICD alumni.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
I'm sorry, I certainly didn't mean to offend anybody, of course we all want to see the horrors of AIDS in Africa and indeed around the world stopped. I just find it interesting that Tvind actually seems to be entering a venture that there is no way they can make money off.... Maybe Amdi has turned soft in his old age;)
I wish more people, governments, organisations, charities NGO's - everybody on this planet - would "rant" more about how to deal with the HIV/AIDS pandemic. I think that all efforts to stop this terrible disease, now a poverty related disease, should be encouraged. I am not surprised that Humana have stepped up their efforts to fight against HIV/AIDS, since it is one of the biggest problems in southern Africa. I wish them the best of luck.
INTERESTING....(?)
Does anyone have a theory as to why so many people in this world do not want to spend the time, effort and money needed to stop the spreading of AIDS in Africa!
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
Hi Molly??
-Who do you think should pay for IICD;s house rent? -Who do you think should pay for the teachers salaries? -How much does it costs to study at a University in USA including your boarding and living expenses? Count on how much you need to pay and fundraise at IICD. Take away some of the expenses that they do not have on IICD but have on the University, put on the price for insurance and air ticket to Africa or Central America and other expenses that IICD have that the Uni do not have.
What would it cost IICD to pay rent for that kind of building if they rented it somewhere else in USA? When did IICD start? How much did they pay in rent that time?? Did the teachers get a salary??
How much do you think the teachers could earn, with their amount of hours spent at IICD in any other work?. How many hours do they work a day? 10, 12, 14 or more???
How many people in this world would put their money together, work as hard as it require to make IICD into a reality??
When you talk about economy, what are you comparing to???
What do the Peace corp educators spend their money on? Is that better then saving together with others and get the opportunity to buy and run a plantation?
What do the UN employees spend their money on? Is that better then putting your money down so that a building for a place like IICD can be bought?
What do the ordinary person spend his money on? Is that better then what the Teachers at IICD spend their money on?
Lets say that the buildings at IICD would be owned by some bank or a private company, lets say that the teachers got a salary and did not chose to put it aside in the teacher group. Do you really think that it would be an economical difference??
Is it the economy of IICD you do not like?
So, maybe you are concerned about what the teacher groups spend their money on? What do you think it takes to start up the development projects? What do you think it takes to start up schools?
I think it is better to be thankfull to people in the Teachers group. Very few people in this world are willing nor able to put a cent a part for anything else then their own and maybe a little donation to a fundraiser from IICD.
Congratulate them with the good results they have achived!!! They must be REALLY HARD WORKING if they apart from all what they are doing also can buy a farm!!!
You don't need to like it. You might think that IICDs aim and program are not good. You are free to think so.
But maybe it is not as "bad" as you try to describe it.
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
http://www.planetaid.ca/ I would check this site for future tvind ventures in canada...
To Nathan Yue, IICD or IICD alumni.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Does anyone have a theory as to why so many people in this world do not want to spend the time, effort and money needed to stop the spreading of AIDS in Africa!
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
Hi Molly??
-Who do you think should pay for IICD;s house rent? -Who do you think should pay for the teachers salaries? -How much does it costs to study at a University in USA including your boarding and living expenses? Count on how much you need to pay and fundraise at IICD. Take away some of the expenses that they do not have on IICD but have on the University, put on the price for insurance and air ticket to Africa or Central America and other expenses that IICD have that the Uni do not have.
What would it cost IICD to pay rent for that kind of building if they rented it somewhere else in USA? When did IICD start? How much did they pay in rent that time?? Did the teachers get a salary??
How much do you think the teachers could earn, with their amount of hours spent at IICD in any other work?. How many hours do they work a day? 10, 12, 14 or more???
How many people in this world would put their money together, work as hard as it require to make IICD into a reality??
When you talk about economy, what are you comparing to???
What do the Peace corp educators spend their money on? Is that better then saving together with others and get the opportunity to buy and run a plantation?
What do the UN employees spend their money on? Is that better then putting your money down so that a building for a place like IICD can be bought?
What do the ordinary person spend his money on? Is that better then what the Teachers at IICD spend their money on?
Lets say that the buildings at IICD would be owned by some bank or a private company, lets say that the teachers got a salary and did not chose to put it aside in the teacher group. Do you really think that it would be an economical difference??
Is it the economy of IICD you do not like?
So, maybe you are concerned about what the teacher groups spend their money on? What do you think it takes to start up the development projects? What do you think it takes to start up schools?
I think it is better to be thankfull to people in the Teachers group. Very few people in this world are willing nor able to put a cent a part for anything else then their own and maybe a little donation to a fundraiser from IICD.
Congratulate them with the good results they have achived!!! They must be REALLY HARD WORKING if they apart from all what they are doing also can buy a farm!!!
You don't need to like it. You might think that IICDs aim and program are not good. You are free to think so.
But maybe it is not as "bad" as you try to describe it.
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
http://www.planetaid.ca/ I would check this site for future tvind ventures in canada...
To Nathan Yue, IICD or IICD alumni.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
Hi Molly??
-Who do you think should pay for IICD;s house rent? -Who do you think should pay for the teachers salaries? -How much does it costs to study at a University in USA including your boarding and living expenses? Count on how much you need to pay and fundraise at IICD. Take away some of the expenses that they do not have on IICD but have on the University, put on the price for insurance and air ticket to Africa or Central America and other expenses that IICD have that the Uni do not have.
What would it cost IICD to pay rent for that kind of building if they rented it somewhere else in USA? When did IICD start? How much did they pay in rent that time?? Did the teachers get a salary??
How much do you think the teachers could earn, with their amount of hours spent at IICD in any other work?. How many hours do they work a day? 10, 12, 14 or more???
How many people in this world would put their money together, work as hard as it require to make IICD into a reality??
When you talk about economy, what are you comparing to???
What do the Peace corp educators spend their money on? Is that better then saving together with others and get the opportunity to buy and run a plantation?
What do the UN employees spend their money on? Is that better then putting your money down so that a building for a place like IICD can be bought?
What do the ordinary person spend his money on? Is that better then what the Teachers at IICD spend their money on?
Lets say that the buildings at IICD would be owned by some bank or a private company, lets say that the teachers got a salary and did not chose to put it aside in the teacher group. Do you really think that it would be an economical difference??
Is it the economy of IICD you do not like?
So, maybe you are concerned about what the teacher groups spend their money on? What do you think it takes to start up the development projects? What do you think it takes to start up schools?
I think it is better to be thankfull to people in the Teachers group. Very few people in this world are willing nor able to put a cent a part for anything else then their own and maybe a little donation to a fundraiser from IICD.
Congratulate them with the good results they have achived!!! They must be REALLY HARD WORKING if they apart from all what they are doing also can buy a farm!!!
You don't need to like it. You might think that IICDs aim and program are not good. You are free to think so.
But maybe it is not as "bad" as you try to describe it.
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
http://www.planetaid.ca/ I would check this site for future tvind ventures in canada...
To Nathan Yue, IICD or IICD alumni.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
-Who do you think should pay for IICD;s house rent? -Who do you think should pay for the teachers salaries? -How much does it costs to study at a University in USA including your boarding and living expenses? Count on how much you need to pay and fundraise at IICD. Take away some of the expenses that they do not have on IICD but have on the University, put on the price for insurance and air ticket to Africa or Central America and other expenses that IICD have that the Uni do not have.
What would it cost IICD to pay rent for that kind of building if they rented it somewhere else in USA? When did IICD start? How much did they pay in rent that time?? Did the teachers get a salary??
How much do you think the teachers could earn, with their amount of hours spent at IICD in any other work?. How many hours do they work a day? 10, 12, 14 or more???
How many people in this world would put their money together, work as hard as it require to make IICD into a reality??
When you talk about economy, what are you comparing to???
What do the Peace corp educators spend their money on? Is that better then saving together with others and get the opportunity to buy and run a plantation?
What do the UN employees spend their money on? Is that better then putting your money down so that a building for a place like IICD can be bought?
What do the ordinary person spend his money on? Is that better then what the Teachers at IICD spend their money on?
Lets say that the buildings at IICD would be owned by some bank or a private company, lets say that the teachers got a salary and did not chose to put it aside in the teacher group. Do you really think that it would be an economical difference??
Is it the economy of IICD you do not like?
So, maybe you are concerned about what the teacher groups spend their money on? What do you think it takes to start up the development projects? What do you think it takes to start up schools?
I think it is better to be thankfull to people in the Teachers group. Very few people in this world are willing nor able to put a cent a part for anything else then their own and maybe a little donation to a fundraiser from IICD.
Congratulate them with the good results they have achived!!! They must be REALLY HARD WORKING if they apart from all what they are doing also can buy a farm!!!
You don't need to like it. You might think that IICDs aim and program are not good. You are free to think so.
But maybe it is not as "bad" as you try to describe it.
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
http://www.planetaid.ca/ I would check this site for future tvind ventures in canada...
To Nathan Yue, IICD or IICD alumni.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
What would it cost IICD to pay rent for that kind of building if they rented it somewhere else in USA? When did IICD start? How much did they pay in rent that time?? Did the teachers get a salary??
How much do you think the teachers could earn, with their amount of hours spent at IICD in any other work?. How many hours do they work a day? 10, 12, 14 or more???
How many people in this world would put their money together, work as hard as it require to make IICD into a reality??
When you talk about economy, what are you comparing to???
What do the Peace corp educators spend their money on? Is that better then saving together with others and get the opportunity to buy and run a plantation?
What do the UN employees spend their money on? Is that better then putting your money down so that a building for a place like IICD can be bought?
What do the ordinary person spend his money on? Is that better then what the Teachers at IICD spend their money on?
Lets say that the buildings at IICD would be owned by some bank or a private company, lets say that the teachers got a salary and did not chose to put it aside in the teacher group. Do you really think that it would be an economical difference??
Is it the economy of IICD you do not like?
So, maybe you are concerned about what the teacher groups spend their money on? What do you think it takes to start up the development projects? What do you think it takes to start up schools?
I think it is better to be thankfull to people in the Teachers group. Very few people in this world are willing nor able to put a cent a part for anything else then their own and maybe a little donation to a fundraiser from IICD.
Congratulate them with the good results they have achived!!! They must be REALLY HARD WORKING if they apart from all what they are doing also can buy a farm!!!
You don't need to like it. You might think that IICDs aim and program are not good. You are free to think so.
But maybe it is not as "bad" as you try to describe it.
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
http://www.planetaid.ca/ I would check this site for future tvind ventures in canada...
To Nathan Yue, IICD or IICD alumni.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
How much do you think the teachers could earn, with their amount of hours spent at IICD in any other work?. How many hours do they work a day? 10, 12, 14 or more???
How many people in this world would put their money together, work as hard as it require to make IICD into a reality??
When you talk about economy, what are you comparing to???
What do the Peace corp educators spend their money on? Is that better then saving together with others and get the opportunity to buy and run a plantation?
What do the UN employees spend their money on? Is that better then putting your money down so that a building for a place like IICD can be bought?
What do the ordinary person spend his money on? Is that better then what the Teachers at IICD spend their money on?
Lets say that the buildings at IICD would be owned by some bank or a private company, lets say that the teachers got a salary and did not chose to put it aside in the teacher group. Do you really think that it would be an economical difference??
Is it the economy of IICD you do not like?
So, maybe you are concerned about what the teacher groups spend their money on? What do you think it takes to start up the development projects? What do you think it takes to start up schools?
I think it is better to be thankfull to people in the Teachers group. Very few people in this world are willing nor able to put a cent a part for anything else then their own and maybe a little donation to a fundraiser from IICD.
Congratulate them with the good results they have achived!!! They must be REALLY HARD WORKING if they apart from all what they are doing also can buy a farm!!!
You don't need to like it. You might think that IICDs aim and program are not good. You are free to think so.
But maybe it is not as "bad" as you try to describe it.
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
http://www.planetaid.ca/ I would check this site for future tvind ventures in canada...
To Nathan Yue, IICD or IICD alumni.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
How many people in this world would put their money together, work as hard as it require to make IICD into a reality??
When you talk about economy, what are you comparing to???
What do the Peace corp educators spend their money on? Is that better then saving together with others and get the opportunity to buy and run a plantation?
What do the UN employees spend their money on? Is that better then putting your money down so that a building for a place like IICD can be bought?
What do the ordinary person spend his money on? Is that better then what the Teachers at IICD spend their money on?
Lets say that the buildings at IICD would be owned by some bank or a private company, lets say that the teachers got a salary and did not chose to put it aside in the teacher group. Do you really think that it would be an economical difference??
Is it the economy of IICD you do not like?
So, maybe you are concerned about what the teacher groups spend their money on? What do you think it takes to start up the development projects? What do you think it takes to start up schools?
I think it is better to be thankfull to people in the Teachers group. Very few people in this world are willing nor able to put a cent a part for anything else then their own and maybe a little donation to a fundraiser from IICD.
Congratulate them with the good results they have achived!!! They must be REALLY HARD WORKING if they apart from all what they are doing also can buy a farm!!!
You don't need to like it. You might think that IICDs aim and program are not good. You are free to think so.
But maybe it is not as "bad" as you try to describe it.
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
http://www.planetaid.ca/ I would check this site for future tvind ventures in canada...
To Nathan Yue, IICD or IICD alumni.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
When you talk about economy, what are you comparing to???
What do the Peace corp educators spend their money on? Is that better then saving together with others and get the opportunity to buy and run a plantation?
What do the UN employees spend their money on? Is that better then putting your money down so that a building for a place like IICD can be bought?
What do the ordinary person spend his money on? Is that better then what the Teachers at IICD spend their money on?
Lets say that the buildings at IICD would be owned by some bank or a private company, lets say that the teachers got a salary and did not chose to put it aside in the teacher group. Do you really think that it would be an economical difference??
Is it the economy of IICD you do not like?
So, maybe you are concerned about what the teacher groups spend their money on? What do you think it takes to start up the development projects? What do you think it takes to start up schools?
I think it is better to be thankfull to people in the Teachers group. Very few people in this world are willing nor able to put a cent a part for anything else then their own and maybe a little donation to a fundraiser from IICD.
Congratulate them with the good results they have achived!!! They must be REALLY HARD WORKING if they apart from all what they are doing also can buy a farm!!!
You don't need to like it. You might think that IICDs aim and program are not good. You are free to think so.
But maybe it is not as "bad" as you try to describe it.
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
http://www.planetaid.ca/ I would check this site for future tvind ventures in canada...
To Nathan Yue, IICD or IICD alumni.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
What do the Peace corp educators spend their money on? Is that better then saving together with others and get the opportunity to buy and run a plantation?
What do the UN employees spend their money on? Is that better then putting your money down so that a building for a place like IICD can be bought?
What do the ordinary person spend his money on? Is that better then what the Teachers at IICD spend their money on?
Lets say that the buildings at IICD would be owned by some bank or a private company, lets say that the teachers got a salary and did not chose to put it aside in the teacher group. Do you really think that it would be an economical difference??
Is it the economy of IICD you do not like?
So, maybe you are concerned about what the teacher groups spend their money on? What do you think it takes to start up the development projects? What do you think it takes to start up schools?
I think it is better to be thankfull to people in the Teachers group. Very few people in this world are willing nor able to put a cent a part for anything else then their own and maybe a little donation to a fundraiser from IICD.
Congratulate them with the good results they have achived!!! They must be REALLY HARD WORKING if they apart from all what they are doing also can buy a farm!!!
You don't need to like it. You might think that IICDs aim and program are not good. You are free to think so.
But maybe it is not as "bad" as you try to describe it.
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
http://www.planetaid.ca/ I would check this site for future tvind ventures in canada...
To Nathan Yue, IICD or IICD alumni.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
What do the UN employees spend their money on? Is that better then putting your money down so that a building for a place like IICD can be bought?
What do the ordinary person spend his money on? Is that better then what the Teachers at IICD spend their money on?
Lets say that the buildings at IICD would be owned by some bank or a private company, lets say that the teachers got a salary and did not chose to put it aside in the teacher group. Do you really think that it would be an economical difference??
Is it the economy of IICD you do not like?
So, maybe you are concerned about what the teacher groups spend their money on? What do you think it takes to start up the development projects? What do you think it takes to start up schools?
I think it is better to be thankfull to people in the Teachers group. Very few people in this world are willing nor able to put a cent a part for anything else then their own and maybe a little donation to a fundraiser from IICD.
Congratulate them with the good results they have achived!!! They must be REALLY HARD WORKING if they apart from all what they are doing also can buy a farm!!!
You don't need to like it. You might think that IICDs aim and program are not good. You are free to think so.
But maybe it is not as "bad" as you try to describe it.
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
http://www.planetaid.ca/ I would check this site for future tvind ventures in canada...
To Nathan Yue, IICD or IICD alumni.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
What do the ordinary person spend his money on? Is that better then what the Teachers at IICD spend their money on?
Lets say that the buildings at IICD would be owned by some bank or a private company, lets say that the teachers got a salary and did not chose to put it aside in the teacher group. Do you really think that it would be an economical difference??
Is it the economy of IICD you do not like?
So, maybe you are concerned about what the teacher groups spend their money on? What do you think it takes to start up the development projects? What do you think it takes to start up schools?
I think it is better to be thankfull to people in the Teachers group. Very few people in this world are willing nor able to put a cent a part for anything else then their own and maybe a little donation to a fundraiser from IICD.
Congratulate them with the good results they have achived!!! They must be REALLY HARD WORKING if they apart from all what they are doing also can buy a farm!!!
You don't need to like it. You might think that IICDs aim and program are not good. You are free to think so.
But maybe it is not as "bad" as you try to describe it.
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
http://www.planetaid.ca/ I would check this site for future tvind ventures in canada...
To Nathan Yue, IICD or IICD alumni.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Lets say that the buildings at IICD would be owned by some bank or a private company, lets say that the teachers got a salary and did not chose to put it aside in the teacher group. Do you really think that it would be an economical difference??
Is it the economy of IICD you do not like?
So, maybe you are concerned about what the teacher groups spend their money on? What do you think it takes to start up the development projects? What do you think it takes to start up schools?
I think it is better to be thankfull to people in the Teachers group. Very few people in this world are willing nor able to put a cent a part for anything else then their own and maybe a little donation to a fundraiser from IICD.
Congratulate them with the good results they have achived!!! They must be REALLY HARD WORKING if they apart from all what they are doing also can buy a farm!!!
You don't need to like it. You might think that IICDs aim and program are not good. You are free to think so.
But maybe it is not as "bad" as you try to describe it.
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
http://www.planetaid.ca/ I would check this site for future tvind ventures in canada...
To Nathan Yue, IICD or IICD alumni.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Is it the economy of IICD you do not like?
So, maybe you are concerned about what the teacher groups spend their money on? What do you think it takes to start up the development projects? What do you think it takes to start up schools?
I think it is better to be thankfull to people in the Teachers group. Very few people in this world are willing nor able to put a cent a part for anything else then their own and maybe a little donation to a fundraiser from IICD.
Congratulate them with the good results they have achived!!! They must be REALLY HARD WORKING if they apart from all what they are doing also can buy a farm!!!
You don't need to like it. You might think that IICDs aim and program are not good. You are free to think so.
But maybe it is not as "bad" as you try to describe it.
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
http://www.planetaid.ca/ I would check this site for future tvind ventures in canada...
To Nathan Yue, IICD or IICD alumni.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
So, maybe you are concerned about what the teacher groups spend their money on? What do you think it takes to start up the development projects? What do you think it takes to start up schools?
I think it is better to be thankfull to people in the Teachers group. Very few people in this world are willing nor able to put a cent a part for anything else then their own and maybe a little donation to a fundraiser from IICD.
Congratulate them with the good results they have achived!!! They must be REALLY HARD WORKING if they apart from all what they are doing also can buy a farm!!!
You don't need to like it. You might think that IICDs aim and program are not good. You are free to think so.
But maybe it is not as "bad" as you try to describe it.
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
http://www.planetaid.ca/ I would check this site for future tvind ventures in canada...
To Nathan Yue, IICD or IICD alumni.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
I think it is better to be thankfull to people in the Teachers group. Very few people in this world are willing nor able to put a cent a part for anything else then their own and maybe a little donation to a fundraiser from IICD.
Congratulate them with the good results they have achived!!! They must be REALLY HARD WORKING if they apart from all what they are doing also can buy a farm!!!
You don't need to like it. You might think that IICDs aim and program are not good. You are free to think so.
But maybe it is not as "bad" as you try to describe it.
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
http://www.planetaid.ca/ I would check this site for future tvind ventures in canada...
To Nathan Yue, IICD or IICD alumni.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Congratulate them with the good results they have achived!!! They must be REALLY HARD WORKING if they apart from all what they are doing also can buy a farm!!!
You don't need to like it. You might think that IICDs aim and program are not good. You are free to think so.
But maybe it is not as "bad" as you try to describe it.
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
http://www.planetaid.ca/ I would check this site for future tvind ventures in canada...
To Nathan Yue, IICD or IICD alumni.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
You don't need to like it. You might think that IICDs aim and program are not good. You are free to think so.
But maybe it is not as "bad" as you try to describe it.
Does anyone have a theory as to why Tvind seems to have become so AIDS-aware recently? Half their websites rant about some "control the epidemic" thing.
http://www.planetaid.ca/ I would check this site for future tvind ventures in canada...
To Nathan Yue, IICD or IICD alumni.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
But maybe it is not as "bad" as you try to describe it.
http://www.planetaid.ca/ I would check this site for future tvind ventures in canada...
To Nathan Yue, IICD or IICD alumni.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
What they didn't tell you at IICD when you paid your tuition and was sent out to fundraise for 7 weeks, was that most of those money went over to the Teacher's Group private economy - and not to the "general operation expenses of the IICD" - as they say in your fundraising binder. There are two major ways they do this: First - IICD pays rent from the buildings and land to a Teacher's Group owned company invented just for this purpose.They tried to cover this up when I was at IICD by changing the ownership. No matter how they try to hide it, IICD ends up being owned by a mailbox company in a tax haven, the majority of the board of trustees will always be longtime Teacher's Group Members. You know how we always tried to save money at IICD, food trips etc. So why do they pay all this rent when they own it - and could therefore set the rent as they wish? They dare to call themselves not-for-profit, but set up an organization that in secrecy flows a large amount of rent-money every month over to the private Teacher's Group. Second they give the Team Leaders (whose financial needs are already beeing taken care of by the Teacher's group) a pretty high salary. The teachers have when they entered the Teacher's Group agreed to turn all their earnings over to the Teacher Group. Ask an individual teacher at IICD what she/he makes and they dont even know , or care for that matter... The system has been set up way over their heads anyway.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
This is where they screwed you - it's all about the money - the actual program of IICD is secondary to the real goal - the more students -the more money to the Teacher's Group. That's why they get so frantic when a student is about to leave the program. We were the cows, we got milked...
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
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E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
I bet they didnt' tell you when you travelled down to Nicaragua , that they also own a huge banana plantation in Belize -Monkey River Estate, one of the biggest in that country. They don't want the teams to know of this or go there because this is just another of the Teacher's Group purely money making venture. The local employees are not given a living wage or have any idea that their "Masters" also run development aid organizations.So much for the good intentions, huh! It is totally possible to go trough a whole program without realizing this side of IICD. They are very strict about what they tell the students about the budget. My advice to present IICDers: Ask questions about this - force them to lie - write down what they tell you. Then you will be in a good position the day the class action suit comes!!!
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
If you or anyone else from IICD, past or present, wants to talk more private my email address is: molly_america@hotmail.com
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
To Stan (stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com) - I really would like to get in touch with you, but your email address doesn't work. Could you send the correct address or another way of making contact to the Tvind Alert web site at tvindalert@bigfoot.com? Thanks.
Appologies for the length of my insight, but where Tvind is concerned, a few words don't make the point!
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
As a former volunteer in Mozambique with ADPP, I have continued to be affected by my experience of Tvind. I was fortunate to be in a small stong team of volunteers, who stuck it out together, only loosing one on the way, who quit before we left Denmark. We were lucky, as our teacher was not as Tvindy as others in the school. We determined a lot of our own activities, and we were stubborn in refusing to do some common actions. We became somewhat of a headache for the school in Denmark, but we did make it to Africa, and most of us achieved results to be proud of. But this website and others which show the questionable side of Tvind, we did not know about until nearly a year into our work for ADPP/Tvind. If only we had known.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
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E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
When we finally had contact with SW's from other schools in Denmark and USA, our collective experience started to worry us. Why did the schools in USA and Denmark, have the same furniture? Why did the teachers have the same Casablanca clothes. Why had we been told the same excuses to our questions about finances etc. Tvind was more international and money grabbing than our previous suspicions. We had been suspicious in Denmark, but believed that once we got to Africa, the distance between Tvind and Mozambique, would distance us from the Tvind politics we had uncovered in Denmark.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Nobody met us when we arrived in Mozambique, we had to get over priced taxis in the dark to the project in the capital where we would await transfer to the provinces. When we arrived, the project leader had not heard we were coming and there was no accommodation for us. Locally based volunteers were kicked out of their rooms to get us in. We shared beds with eachother and some slept on the floor (with cockroaches etc)...some did have mosquito nets.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
The patronising supervision continued...
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Project leaders lived just down the road from us. They would monitor our movements and call crisis meetings if we were out after six in the evening - sometimes we had just gone to a cafe after work and were mixing with other Foreigners from other NGO's (God forbid we should have been socialising with locals!!). There were examples of us seeing THEM drunk and out after six, but we were in trouble for going out for a coffee. Relationships with locals, or African colleagues would get us kicked out of the project and out of the country. Our Passports and plane tickets were held in a safe at the office. But we bribed the secretary to give them back to us. After only six weeks there, I had escape plans incase I needed to get out fast. I was the only volunteer to have taken some hard currency and a credit card with me. Our only access to money was our WEEKLY pocket money from the project. This amounted to about the same as the MONTHLY salary of a local employee. Although we protested at the unfairness of this, we were told it came out of a different pot - we made ourselves feel better by seeing our pocket money as a refund on our fees paid in Denmark!
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
The worst things to happen include a project leader sleeping with a prostitute in a volunteer's bed...and being threatened with a gun by local drug dealers, who had supplied other volunteers and didn't want us to interfere...
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
I finally fled from Mozambique a month before time, at 5am one morning we headed to Zimbabwe, where at least communication was easier (we were never really taught portuguese) and I knew there was transport, accommodation and banks. My roommate who left with me had no access to any funds other than the money we had saved from our pocket money in Moz. which we had to change on the black market.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Thereafter I had a wonderful time discovering six southern african countries, funded by my credit card, which took me months to pay off. My year with Tvind cost me more than a year's salary - in excess of 10,000. I had to buy myself a flight home, forfeiting my flight back to Denmark - having no reason to go back there...
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
I discovered shortly after leaving Moz that the rest of the team I had gone out with, all quit within a week of eachother - non of us aware that the others had left. Thank goodness for email and internet cafes in even the remotest places! We met up in Zambia and shared our experiences, each experience shocked and worried us even more...
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
The year was full of major ups and downs. I reflect on the long days and meetings we had in Denmark. As SW's we weren't at the heart of Tvind's business by any stretch of the imagination, but we were party to the stresses and strains of people who live the Tvind way. We were invited to join the T.G, with promises of work in Hong Kong and USA. Even after I left and was back in Europe working, I recieved a phone call asking if I would like to teach in their Fri-skole (I am not a qualified teacher). They were trying to sink their claws into me even after I had accused them of being Racist Neo-colonialist Communists!
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Stong people in a close clued-up team can have a positive result. S.W's can volunteer without getting sucked in, but you have to keep your wits about you. All may not be as it seems. Whatever your experience the one thing in common, is you will never work so hard in all your life as you will for Tvind.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
If you want to be a volunteer - go with VSO or Peace Corps - at least they say positive things about their experiences. And their asking for qualified people is a positive thing, don't be put off.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
I hope my insight is of interest. This website backs up a number of the experiences and stories I have heard about Tvind. When I did visit Tvind itself for the African Conference of 1998, I was disturbed with the army like barracks and the strength of the Tvind teachers. I know I had a more laid back and enjoyable time than those at Tvind. We could say "No" to our teachers. Maybe that's why we were the last team of S.W's to go to our school. We had a too easy time of it.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
My last comments, are that the ADPP projects in Africa, are run to less than professional standards, and I would never work with them again.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
My response to my experience is to train as a Development specialist and go back to Mozambique.I will find an employer to do a better job than ADPP, and give the locals the services they require. Not meet quotas as ADPP projects do, building to inferior quality and care - eg. wells and latrine construction.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Thank you for an opportunity to express my experiences. Good luck to all those affected by Tvind.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
How to stop them? I have experience from their Swedish UFF organisation. I was employed but was fired after 2 weeks Reason. I was asking to many questions about their humanitarian work in Africa a continent that I have 25 years experience from. I am ready to work active to stop their operations in the Stockholm region. omex@telia.com
how about submitting your story
Hmm - now we have looked at the same old "stories" (Steen's, Else's, Nick's whatever their names are - the "witnesses") for months. Haven't you been able to dig any new "stories" (read:dirt) up? As far as I can tell, most of the tens of thousands of people who have been involved with Tvind have had good expereiences. Why are their "stories" not represented anywhere on this website? Because you'd hate to admit that Tvind actually does a lot of good?
haveing worked 4 PLANET AID UK in northampton and seen first hand the arrogant and underhanded aproach and attitude 2 people and clothes collection i found your site most informative. from Stan..stantheman1@uk.dreamcast.com
I am a guy
I've worked in ADPP Angola. I can't speak to any of these accusations of hidden accounts or Teacher's Group brain washing, all I can say is I never saw anything to support that in my 14 months. All I want to say is that the claim that ADPP does not work with other NGOs is untrue (at least in ADPP Angola.) During the time I worked there, we worked with several other NGOs including the World Food Program and UNICEF. As far as I could tell, the work done by ADPP was appreciated and respected by other NGOs, the Government in Angola and the people who received the aid. That's all...
After reading this site for a while it is very clear that it is nothing more then a "hate site". The aim must "justify the means" and a lot of the so called facts are far from the truth. The "bad experiences" are pointed out and do not represent what the vaste majority of the people involved in the so called "Tvind activities" thinks. It could easily be proven, but most people rather like to work for something good instead of fighting something that they don't like.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
It is interesting to compare the aim of the people running this site with for example the aims of some of the "Travelling Folkhigh schools" and the aim of people dedicated to run them?
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
All people out there that wants to do something good with your life, try TVIND!
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
I think that the Teacher Group are doing a lot of good work.
hi i think that is fantastic what we can do with Humana together. I'm very glad , because i was looking for somethink like this all my 24 years and i know that always somethink independent and alternative provoce a people to fight against people whant sleep with closed eyes they are afraid when thinks are different check yourself try i meet here a lot of great people which want to do somethink good adn we will see you soon
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
,ubefycgtior
It's difficult to get on with your life and ignore the fact that many other young people are too be exploited by Tvind projects and that people donating money in good faith to Tvind's projects are being ripped off. This money could be given to bonafide charities, who DO invest in appropriately run projects in Africa and beyond.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
john.
get on whit your lifes, the parst is the parst
In response to the questions posed by Ffyona - yes, it is certainly intended to create a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page and this will be done as time allows. Ffyona's will be the first questions on the page.
My name is Marc.Im from Scotland and have just completed the 14 months program in the school in norway.I was beaten,raped hourly,forced to have sex in a stifling hot sauna with a sheep and not given any food apart from onions for the full 14 months.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Good now I hope that I have got everyones attention.What i have just said is total shite,but i dare say that some of the narrow minded idiots who are in the tvind alert group would have believed it.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Now for the people who come to this site with half a brain I will tell very shortly my story. Once Ive finished I will leave my email address,unlike some prats who can give nasty,unfounded comments and cant actually argue there stupid fucking point.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
The 6 months preparation period in norway can be tough.Like many things in life.You have to go on the streets and fundraise for children in Africa,which as you can imagine is tough in a country as cold as Norway. You meet lots of interesting people from around the world and do lots of fun stuff together(thats in between the brain washing).
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
After I spent 6 months in scandinavia,i headed to Zambia to spend another 6 months of my life working with orphaned children in a childrens town.I helped educate the children and i spent aload of time just trying to give these children some love and some of my time (of course i did this in my spare time,the rest of the time was when i would try and brain wash these poor defensless kids).
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Now that i am back in Scotland after my 6 months in the Zambian bush.I feel that i can say that the traveling high schools and humana do good work,they may make mistakes but so does everyone.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to ask any questions about my experience. marcjosephgray@hotmail.com
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
my name is Josh and I am a freak about eating lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Josh
my name is britta. Y did u steal my name i hate u.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
britta
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
How can we do more to bring down this sick, abusing organisation. The fundamental problem is this: For young idealists who wish to aid third world/poorer countries, the varied programmes offered by Tvind and linked organisations, appear ideal. The experiences these young people then get are good ones, they travel to Africa, Asia etc and in their work they feel they are really doing something worthwhile - makes them feel good etc. How do we convince these young dreamers that in fact, not only is their trust being abused but the people they are helping are being abused as they do not get the monies raised for them, it goes to the elite at Tvind.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
I speak on behalf of 10 former employees of a Tvind linked organisation. We all had an excelllent, rewarding time, we were a little unique because we did affect change in people's lives without damaging them directly (Steen Thomsen will guess who this is and where we worked) and it was definetly without doubt the best three years of mine and my friends lives. However, as rational intelligent people,( we are aware that tvind made much money from this work) we are angry at this organisations abuse of young people, poor people and young dreamers who genuinely want to make the world a better place.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
HOW CAN WE STOP THEM DEVELOPING CAN WE MEET, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE INTERESTED GOOD LUCK STEEN THOMSEN
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
FROM THE LONG SERVERS WHO ALL KNEW IAIN SMITH! e-MAIL US AT:
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
madipenosert@lycos.com
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
E luta continua: The struggle goes on. The struggle for people in need ? Or for Mogens Amdi Petersen' power? Are you really sure what you are fighting for?
Fyona, I guess you will get some info from this website itself, in the paragraph "Who are the creators of Tvind Alert?"? Perhaps Michael Durham will add more information re. your next questions? To myself and numerous other present and past Tvind people, this website represents a long time needed possibility of sharing experience about the Tvind Cult. For the first time ever, in the entire history of Tvind, this is possible. The reason: When inside the Teachers' Group, all proper discussion about goals and means is impossible. And when outside, after having escaped the TG, you are usually deprived of the necessary mental and financial power for bringing your precious, personal experience to other people. Tvind has in its power to run websites en masse - just ensure yourself by searching the net for a couple of minutes. Tvind is operating very cleverly, using the Net for approaching people all over the world; people who do not have ANY knowledge about the secret agendas and the power structure of Tvind. They do not know what just about any Scandinavian knows about Tvind. How should they know? How should former Tvind people forward their experiences if not via a website like Tvind Alert? Thank you to the people behind this website, and hoping that you carry on:
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
A former Tvind member.
I would like to ask some questions: Who is in charge of this website? What is the purpose of this website? How do you verify your sources? What are the criteria for what information you include on the website? How do you know that the information you publish here is accurate? Do you reject "positive" stories? It would be nice if you set up a FAQ. You could start off by answering these questions. Thanks.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Ffyona
Simon, for real info about working for Humana, look up www.uff.dk/di
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Use your senses and your brain and you'll be OK.
E luta continua
Dear Simon03. 1) You read this website. 2) You talk to people who have been there 3) The rest is obvious..
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
NN
Help, I have need of information on "humana people to peolpe". I have a contact for a job with that organization, but I have many question. what do I? Thanks
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
simon03@libero.it
It is many people that are in involved in the activities mentioned on this site as "bad" and really like it! Makes me sad that some are dedicated to be against when development and improvements in this world are created by people working together. That is, in my opinion, what the so called "Tvind organization" is doing
I am following your web site, and the comments from friends who have been with me or on the other side of the cult. I have been now for three years with the organization and still there. You are doing very well but that is not enough, it is something but not enough. Now days your site has been system of brain washing for them they are boasting they have opponents, they have money and they have system and the third one is you, you will stop them or they will destroy you. Therefore, your expected to do a lot. You have to able to indicate other organization who can do better so the people who want to do good will have other choice. You need to have kind of petition signing to the governments where tvind operates to stop or to improve their action. A lot has been said but more things are happening not only trading by the name of poor African people but also exporting young Africans to Europe by the cover of Scholarship to sale news papers in the Street of Europe. I shall not say a lot this time as i am still with them but sooner or later i will join you.
I think Tvind is good!
When my son said he wanted to join the California Campus TG, I thought it was a great idea, suited for his dreams and talents. I checked out their very well done web sites, and then tried to go deeper. The UN does not have them (in any form of their organization) listed as a NGO in Africa. I thought that was strange and then I found this site...if only a small portion of what you say is true, it is a pity, for Tvind, or any sub group of it, really has its pitch geared up for the ideals of some of today's youth. I just couldn't figure why they wanted so much money AND all that work, to boot. Not a common feature for volunteer organizations that I have ever been a part of in my life.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Can any current members point to some credible organization outside their own that supports the efforts of Tvind, Inc.?
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
Dear people,
Once a time i too was intending on joining up with DNS. The people seemed friendly and so was the atmosphere. Of course they told me about the rumours going around in Denmark and Scandinavia, but i totally lacked that. After deciding that i would enroll myself i hitchhiked my way back home to say bye to my parents and my friends and all. It was during this trip back home that i discovered that Tvind would not be healthy for me. Literally all the Danish people i spoke to on my way back home were so very negative about Tvind, it shocked me and their opinion really did make sense. How can you live and work in a country where nearly all people around you respond to Tvind in a dead negative way ?! This way you are urged to stick with your own Tvind-people and not having positive contacts with your fellow inhabitants. This is not only the case in Denmark but in all of Scandinavia. And i believe that it's up to one's personality if you are able to manage the collective way of living. It's not my way of living. Yet, being there really makes you forget all about that, it's the adventure that counts. Make sure you don't romanticize the idea. I reckon that some people will find their home in this organisation and will have a good time. Yet, if you are a highly individualistic, longing also for an intellectual challenge, my advice is not to join up. But then again, i haven't been in it for real..only an introduction. It's really what i have been told and the little that i have seen. I say go up to an introduction weekend and see for yourself...be critical....ask questions....towards Tvind as well as to yourself......You may also try my method to hitchhike your way back home and listen to what the Danish folks have to tell you about Tvind. I think there are lies coming from both sides. Focus yourself in first instance on the practical matters. Good luck !
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH
I wish I had red this page before volunteering,,
What are your hoping to achieve by having this web site ?
What the fuck is this crap? You guys must have twisted minds to set up a website like this - talk about brain washing!
Thank you much for this wonderful job. I am very proud of you. I think that tvind is like a mafia. stolen the poor people and the young Europeans, Chinese, Japanise and Australians. I spent one year in this organization and I learn lot about: brain washing, corruption(they directly with the local autority for privileges and others contracts) dictature......... In their privite school in Africa: kindergarten, primary school and other, I can testifie that only the wealthy people could send their kids. The rest of the population cannot pay. They sale clothes collected in Europe, putting the local clothing industry in very diffucult situation.
hey, thank you for all of your responses. I will be going to Norway, but my family and friends will keep a close eye one me. As for the last email, I definitely would like to hear more from you. You can reach me at my addy: secretbutterfly8@hotmail.com
Secretbutterfly, We have been in Norway, on the top of the mountain together, we survived, we enjoyed, we cried, we laughed, we loved it. Most of this page is a total crap of narrow-minded people. If you want me to tell you more, contact me through this
guestbook.
If people are nothing, how come Humana People to Peopple has launcehd the most ambitious and sensible project yet to eradicate AIDS in Africa?
Tvind is a global company, money is everything people arer nothing.... Stay away !..
hi, to all x cicd people, in this guest book there are messages written about how good tvind is and then from others how bad tvind is, some of you are calling others names, which is immature whatever ur feelings are. i am an x-cicd gal and while i agree with alot of what everyone says,on one side: good times, meet fantastic people, amazing experiences, the reality of it is what should be taken in.... and what should over rule everyother thought is that of helping people. THIS IS NOT DONE. even if it is only 2% of the aid money that HUMANA TVIND CICD ETC raise, they take for private gain, then this is bad and should be stopped never mind the huge amount they are actually taking from the fundraising. enough things bad in the world. is this not enough to make u all leave and stop (i believe in someways) following tvind for your own selfish happiness.(as i have myself experienced the warmth at times and the closness of everyone within the groups) maybe i am wrong but the facts are the facts with the money that is in tvind they could help aid Africa properly and not just hide their multi million business behind the guise of a charity. the lowest form of disgrace. that again is my opinion bye. Clare
Hi - great site, just wish I had found it before my friend went to Denmark to one of these dodgy schools. Luckily she's back home now.
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